Coach Issues

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by IchiRef

this was a first for me...

Freshman boys. Team A shot and missed and A1 hit the ball into A's backcourt where it was retreived by A2. for some odd reason, I blew my whistle and called a backcourt violation. knowing I screwed up the second I blew my whistle, I immediately comfirmed my mistake with my partner and then gave the ball back to A for a throw-in. Meanwhile team B Varsity coach who was sitting on the bench started yelling at me about how i needed to go to the possession arrow in a situation like this. I told him he was wrong and that he was not the head coach of this game and that i would only address the freshman coach, then turned to the freshman coach and asked him to keep his bench quiet.


What can I do in this situation?

also I tossed the home coach in the JV game, another first. after that game a spectator, who I come to find out is the girls JV coach, was waiting for me to tell me " a good official would have done this, a good official would have done that..."

Tough night....any thoughts? anything I could have done better?

Not being there give some thought to how you handled the mistaken back court call. Perhaps you may have said Coach I had an inadvertant whistle. I wouldn't go into any more detail than that. Inbound the ball and play on. Concerning the Varsity Coach on the bench. In theory noone can argue on how you handled it. In this case he is indeed the assistant and should not be talking to you. That being said he is the Varsity Coach and deserves a tad bit more respect than your regular run of the mill Assistant Coach.

You can be right in principle (I think you are) but asking the Freshman Coach to reign in his boss (Varsity Coach) is asking a lot. JMO.

Incidentally the confrontation outside the locker room. Totally out of line and unacceptable. Contact your Assignor and let him/her handle it.

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[Ignats75]

The OHSAA has a form that MUST be used for all ejections. Its a four part form, and the oHSAA will fine any official that doesn't file the paperwork after an ejection. That paperwork can also be used to notify the OHSAA of any unusual or important information. I would definitely use it to file a report with the state for the conduct of the coach.

[Adam]

I can understand granting a bit of latitude when you kick something, but that goes to the head coach, not an assistant. Chances are, I wouldn't even know he was the varsity coach, as most varsity coaches around here watch games from the stands if they're watching the freshman game at all.

Sorry, but I don't really consider an IW a kicked call. Especially when it really had no negative effect except to make the official look awkward. For an assistant coach to stand up and tell everyone in the gym you're doing it wrong? And any latitude I might have given goes out the window when the coach is so blatantly wrong about the rule.

Lucky it only earned a warning, and smart that he heeded the warning. This whole confrontation after the game looks premeditated to me; can't even claim "heat of the moment."

[gordon30307]

If I know it's the Varsity Coach and he/she is on the bench they get more respect and leeway, at least from me, then the run of the mill assistant. JMO

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

If I know it's the Varsity Coach and he/she is on the bench they get more respect and leeway, at least from me, then the run of the mill assistant. JMO

Why??? would you do the same if the JV coach was sitting on the bench in the Frosh game? If not, then why not? I really don't get this...the POE on bench decorum is very clear.

[ref2coach]

Here in TN it is very common for a 2 person crew to work the JV girls then JV boys then a 3 person crew arrives to work the VG then VB. I was working the JV games, the VB coach was on the JV bench. Var coach thought we had missed calling a foul in favor of "his" JV team. He vocalized his opinion, we go up the floor, and back, he again is chirping about the first foul, a foul is called in his teams favor, while reporting my partner is closer to bench, VC get up walks past JV Coach, out of box still complaining. Partner assesses T, I go inform JV Coach that he has lost his CB privileges. He looks at VC and says "are you through now"? VC sets down and we do not hear 1 more word from him the rest of the game.

One of the 2nd crew was late arriving so I worked the first half of the Var Girls game, I wish the other crew member had not arrived at all because I would have loved to see the VB coaches face when he would have seen me on his game. I heard latter that he was ejected from the Varsity game. He received two Direct TFs. 1st for "unsporting comment" directed at an official, second for laughing at and making inappropriate gestures to the referee issuing the TF. Obviously that night he was not focused on coaching.

[IchiRef]

I am still new to this board and officiating in general. It is also Interesting the different directions people go with a situation like this. Thanks for those who were sticking up for me... and I was surprised by corndog'd comments, but i also understand he has his opinion and it is a hard situation to understand without being there.

The only thing that I would have changed would have been to not give him any sort of audience after the game.

BTW, I have the same team on Tomorroe, in thier house this time... should be okay though, I didn't take it personal. Last game was a major upset and his team lost. (no excuse for him, but it wasn't personal)

[Adam]

Woah! He was the visiting varsity coach? Not that it changes anything substantial, I just find it even more suprising.

[TheOracle]

Ichi, a lot of these guys make me laugh. The only thing in yuor description that raised my eyebrows (without being there) was that you said the coach called you a smart aleck. So my guess is that he perceived something. You may not even be aware of body language or tone of voice, but it is important. If you get labeled as unapproachable or snide, you will severely limit your chances of advancing. Fair or unfair, that's a general rule.

Also, these guys are correct about assistant coaches. They should not be involved with officials at all. Instead of threatening or giving an automatic T, a simple comment to the head coach that you are working for him only, not his assistants, and you only want to hear from or interact with him, that will work almost every time with little conflict. Virtually every time the HC will tell the bench to shut up, and appreciate the subtle warning.

Disclaimer: The works well at the Varsity HS and College levels. I am certain that this would not work well at times in JH or AAU ball.

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Why??? would you do the same if the JV coach was sitting on the bench in the Frosh game? If not, then why not? I really don't get this...the POE on bench decorum is very clear.

Why you say. Let see. I toss the Varsity Coach in a Freshman Game. A game noone gives a second thought about played in obscurity in the auxilary gym. I'll Tee and toss Frosh Coaches and I'll Tee and toss Varsity Coaches (in fact I did this a week ago) in Varsity Games. In my state the coach is suspended one game at the level he was coaching. He/she sits one Frosh Game. In the meantime they can't coach the Varsity Team until the suspension is served. At this point I think my officiating career is over unless I move to another state.

It's not worth the heat. Kind of like pulling the Police Chief over and writing him a ticket on a Sunday when he's not working.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

Why you say. Let see. I toss the Varsity Coach in a Freshman Game. A game noone gives a second thought about played in obscurity in the auxilary gym. I'll Tee and toss Frosh Coaches and I'll Tee and toss Varsity Coaches (in fact I did this a week ago) in Varsity Games. In my state the coach is suspended one game at the level he was coaching. He/she sits one Frosh Game. In the meantime they can't coach the Varsity Team until the suspension is served. At this point I think my officiating career is over unless I move to another state.

It's not worth the heat. Kind of like pulling the Police Chief over and writing him a ticket on a Sunday when he's not working.

So you will let a coach sit there and be as big an a-hole as they want to be because it's "only a frosh game" and it's "not worth the heat" - that about sum it up??

Like JR said earlier, time to grow a pair.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

So you will let a coach sit there and be as big an a-hole as they want to be because it's "only a frosh game" and it's "not worth the heat" - that about sum it up??

Like JR said earlier, time to grow a pair.

Some will. Some absolutely refuse. That's why we see the same ol' POE on bench decorum year after year after year.

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

So you will let a coach sit there and be as big an a-hole as they want to be because it's "only a frosh game" and it's "not worth the heat" - that about sum it up??

Like JR said earlier, time to grow a pair.

You don't tug on Supermans cape, you don't spit into the wind and you don't pull the mask off of the Lone Ranger and you don't mess around with the Varsity Coach in a Frosh Game. Hey Kamikaze Pilots have stones the size of Everest. What did it get them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

You don't tug on Supermans cape, you don't spit into the wind and you don't pull the mask off of the Lone Ranger and you don't mess around with the Varsity Coach in a Frosh Game. Hey Kamikaze Pilots have stones the size of Everest. What did it get them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This makes me sad for you. A varsity coach is not superman, lone ranger, or the wind. He ain't a US Navy Battleship, either. He sure as hell ain't the police chief. He's a coach.

Your comparisons need work.

If he wants you to stop calling traveling, you gonna comply in the freshman game?

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

This makes me sad for you. A varsity coach is not superman, lone ranger, or the wind. He ain't a US Navy Battleship, either. He sure as hell ain't the police chief. He's a coach.

Your comparisons need work.

If he wants you to stop calling traveling, you gonna comply in the freshman game?

Stop yourself