Defender hits dribbler's hand; ball goes OOB; Whatcha got?

[Jimgolf]

A1 is dribbling by the sideline. B1 reaches for the ball, doesn't hit the ball, but accidently hits A1's hand, which is in contact with the ball, and the ball goes out of bounds (without hitting anything else other than the floor). Call? Rules reference please?

Please consider 7-2, 7-3 and 4-24-2 in your answer.

I think the correct call by rule is Out of Bounds violation on A1. Am I missing something? BTW, I suspect most would say the ball was hit OOB by B1 and ignore the contact.

Thanks.

[Jurassic Referee]

Who caused the ball to go OOB?

Rule 9-3-1.

[Splute]

As JR stated. The contact by B1 caused the ball to go OOB. Since hitting the hand which is in contact with the ball is the same as hitting the ball; B1 hit the ball OOBs.

[chartrusepengui]

As JR stated. The contact by B1 caused the ball to go OOB. Since hitting the hand which is in contact with the ball is the same as hitting the ball; B1 hit the ball OOBs.

However - was the ball last touched by A? :-)

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

However - was the ball last touched by A? :-)

In this particular play, it doesn't matter. I got into a very heated debate over this one time, and it ended up that I was wrong. Everyone (as far as I can tell) interprets the rules and cases in this sitch as oob off of B. You just have to go with it.

edited to correct. Thanks jdw

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

In this particular play, it doesn't matter. I got into a very heated debate over this one time, and it ended up that I was wrong. Everyone (as far as I can tell) interprets the rules and cases in this sitch as oob off of A. You just have to go with it.

OOB off A or B?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

However - was the ball last touched by A? :-)

9-3-1...A player shall not cause the ball to go out of bounds.

[blindzebra]

There is no way to hit the hand and not hit the ball, OOB off of B1...that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[MN BB Ref]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

9-3-1...A player shall not cause the ball to go out of bounds.

However, if we are to strictly adhere to that logic, what would we have when A1 is tied up in the corner and throws the ball at B1's legs and it goes oob off of B1? That would seem to be another case where A1 caused the ball to go oob but we would never give the ball to B in this case.

For the record, on the original situation I'm giving the ball back to A as I consider that to be the "right" call.

[Splute]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

However - was the ball last touched by A? :-)

Per the OP, it touched nothing else but the floor.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

A1 is dribbling by the sideline. B1 reaches for the ball, doesn't hit the ball, but accidently hits A1's hand, which is in contact with the ball, and the ball goes out of bounds (without hitting anything else other than the floor). Call? Rules reference please?

Please consider 7-2, 7-3 and 4-24-2 in your answer.

I think the correct call by rule is Out of Bounds violation on A1. Am I missing something? BTW, I suspect most would say the ball was hit OOB by B1 and ignore the contact.

Thanks.

In my JUDGEMENT, I got a foul on B1. . We play on from there.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

A1 is dribbling by the sideline. B1 reaches for the ball, doesn't hit the ball, but accidently hits A1's hand, which is in contact with the ball, and the ball goes out of bounds (without hitting anything else other than the floor). Call? Rules reference please?

Please consider 7-2, 7-3 and 4-24-2 in your answer.

I think the correct call by rule is Out of Bounds violation on A1. Am I missing something? BTW, I suspect most would say the ball was hit OOB by B1 and ignore the contact.

Thanks.

Foul on B1, play on.....

[Splute]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

Foul on B1, play on.....

Hitting the hand while in contact with the ball is not a FOUL. Why are you penalizing B1 for good defense? You can debate who it went OOB on, but not that it is a foul... imho.

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

Foul on B1, play on.....

Originally Posted by truerookie

In my JUDGEMENT, I got a foul on B1. . We play on from there.

Calling a foul on this play is a common tack, however this is by definition not a foul unless the player is deliberately attempting to hit the hand and not making a play for the ball.

The question is who has caused the ball to go OOB? Since it is legal to hit the hand of a player dribbling a ball, and in this case, the defender has not touched the ball, player A1 has caused the ball to go out of bounds, since he was the last to touch it.

In reality, I think most would say that it looked like B1 made contact with the ball and award possession back to A.

The defender is making a legal play and shouldn't be penalized for it, but it is probably also likely that it could seem as if something other than the hand has been struck, so a foul could legitimately be called, since plays are not situations, but happen in real time.

Thanks for your responses.

[Back In The Saddle]

By a literal reading of the exact wording of the rule, this is OOB off of A, B's ball. But that is the wrong call.