Whatcha Got?

ranjo · #1 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 02, 2004, 10:39pm

Tonight - V-girls game

Player comes to the line to shoot two free throws - bounces the ball twice, then stands erect and shoots the ball straight up over her head about 4-6 feet, catches it, bounces it two more times and then takes a normal free throw.

If the throwing of the ball had caused a defensive player to violate, I would have called disconcertion on the shooter I guess. She didn't really fake an attempt - or did she?

Whatcha got on this one?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. · #2 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 02, 2004, 10:46pm

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Originally posted by ranjo
Tonight - V-girls game

Player comes to the line to shoot two free throws - bounces the ball twice, then stands erect and shoots the ball straight up over her head about 4-6 feet, catches it, bounces it two more times and then takes a normal free throw.

If the throwing of the ball had caused a defensive player to violate, I would have called disconcertion on the shooter I guess. She didn't really fake an attempt - or did she?

Whatcha got on this one?

First, only an opponent of the free thrower can commit a disconcertion violation.

Second, during the pre-game warm-ups did you observe the players when they practiced free throws. I am willing to bet dollars to donuts that this player did the same thing during practice. The short answer is that the free throw did nothing illegal.

MTD, Sr.

JRutledge · #3 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 02, 2004, 10:47pm

Well you were there, we were not. You would have to be the judge of that. But if I were you I would not nitpick that. They players cannot move anyway until the ball comes into the cylinder or hits something. They should not be coming in based solely on the motion of the shooter. It sounds like this is just a routine of the shooter.

Peace

refnrev · #4 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 02, 2004, 10:57pm

Did she do this every time?

ranjo · #5 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 02, 2004, 10:58pm

I did not observe the player shooting any free throws during practice, but to be honest, had been informed by another ref that she did it on ocasion. She only did it on the first of two attemps.

Mark - I agree with you that there is nothing in the federation rule book that adresses disconcertion by the shooter except faking a free throw.

Dan_ref · #6 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 02, 2004, 10:59pm

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Originally posted by ranjo
Tonight - V-girls game

Player comes to the line to shoot two free throws - bounces the ball twice, then stands erect and shoots the ball straight up over her head about 4-6 feet, catches it, bounces it two more times and then takes a normal free throw.

If the throwing of the ball had caused a defensive player to violate, I would have called disconcertion on the shooter I guess. She didn't really fake an attempt - or did she?

Whatcha got on this one?

I don't care if you were there or you were in a capsule orbitting the moon.

I got nuthin.

ranjo · #7 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 02, 2004, 11:02pm

Dan - What would you have if a defensive player in a marked lane space violated when she threw the ball into the air?

Dan_ref · #8 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 02, 2004, 11:03pm

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Originally posted by ranjo
Dan - What would you have if a defensive player in a marked lane space violated when she threw the ball into the air?

Violation on the defense.

tjones1 · #9 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 02, 2004, 11:08pm

I've got nothing. Except maybe a close count on the 10 second violation.

ranjo · #10 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 02, 2004, 11:15pm

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Originally posted by tjones1
I've got nothing. Except maybe a close count on the 10 second violation.

And we called nothing, but it sure makes for some good discussion during halftime or postgame

tjones1 · #11 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 02, 2004, 11:17pm

Were you the Trail? If you were do you remember what the count was? Was probably pretty close. Thanks

T Jones

Nevadaref · #12 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 03, 2004, 06:30am

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Originally posted by Dan_ref

Quote:

Originally posted by ranjo
Dan - What would you have if a defensive player in a marked lane space violated when she threw the ball into the air?

Violation on the defense.

Actually Dan would signal a DELAYED violation on the defense.

golfdesigner · #13 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 03, 2004, 07:30am

In practice, I got nothing, however, 9-4 says "the free thrower shall not fake a try, nor shall any player in a marked lane space fake to cause an opponent to violate."

Could you call this a fake, if one of the defenders violated? Just asking...

zebraman · #14 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 03, 2004, 09:32am

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Originally posted by golfdesigner
In practice, I got nothing, however, 9-4 says "the free thrower shall not fake a try, nor shall any player in a marked lane space fake to cause an opponent to violate."

Could you call this a fake, if one of the defenders violated? Just asking...

You could I suppose, but this used to be more of a problem when the players along the lane were allowed to break the plane on the release. As Rut said, they now have to wait until it hits the rim so I have a hard time seeing why they would enter so quick on a "fake."

Z

SamIAm · #15 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 03, 2004, 09:32am

If she did the same motion without releasing the ball, would you whistle a faked attempt? Also, your words were she "shoots the ball". Sounds a like a good time for a whistle to me, especially 4 to 6 feet up in the air, in fact any shooting motion with the ball sounds questionable.
Lastly, if you were to allow it and she doesn't use this same motion everytime, that doesn't seem right either.