Was reading my rule book tonight....

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for the first time in a while. I don't know them like I used to and its been bugging me.

Was reading where coaches can not use video-tape of the current game at half-time for coaching purposes, but I did not see any specific penalty.

Coaches are pulling out the stops these days to win. So what do you do if a coach uses video during half-time?

[Nevadaref]

If you can verify this, then the proper penalty is a team technical foul. Nothing gets charged either directly or indirectly to the head coach.

The reference is 10-1-3 and the chart on page 72.

[mbyron]

I think it also merits a report to the state association.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I think it also merits a report to the state association.

Why? Do you file a report to the state association for all team technical fouls? If the scorebook were incorrect and there had to be a T assessed would you think that should be reported to the state too?

It's just another rule that has been infringed and the proper penalty given. Nothing more needs to be made out of it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why? Do you file a report to the state association for all team technical fouls? If the scorebook were incorrect and there had to be a T assessed would you think that should be reported to the state too?

It's just another rule that has been infringed and the proper penalty given. Nothing more needs to be made out of it.

Here, it does merit a report to the association; because all technical fouls at the high school level have to be reported to the state.

I know other states (Iowa, for example) that only require notification when there's an disqualification (ejection) by multiple technical fouls or flagrant involved.

Also, at the JV level, they want us to send a report if there is a jv home team not wearing white. They don't want the Ts called below varsity level, but they want to know about it.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Here, it does merit a report to the association; because all technical fouls at the high school level have to be reported to the state.

I know other states (Iowa, for example) that only require notification when there's an disqualification (ejection) by multiple technical fouls or flagrant involved.

Also, at the JV level, they want us to send a report if there is a jv home team not wearing white. They don't want the Ts called below varsity level, but they want to know about it.

Perfectly understandable if ALL technical fouls require a report. My state only does DQs.

My point was that I don't agree with reporting some Ts and not others just because the T is for an unusual reason and the official doesn't encounter it that often. Treat them all the same.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why? Do you file a report to the state association for all team technical fouls? If the scorebook were incorrect and there had to be a T assessed would you think that should be reported to the state too?

It's just another rule that has been infringed and the proper penalty given. Nothing more needs to be made out of it.

No, of course I don't report all technical fouls. But rather than distinguish some T's as reportable and others as not, I distinguish instead how the rule was violated.

In this area, using video at halftime is extremely rare, and doing so would be a flagrant violation of the rule. Although the T is not a flagrant T, given the circumstances it merits the same kind of report a flagrant T would receive.

It's up to the state how to handle the report, and if they deem the violation non-flagrant they're free to ignore it.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by mbyron

No, of course I don't report all technical fouls. But rather than distinguish some T's as reportable and others as not, I distinguish instead how the rule was violated.

In this area, using video at halftime is extremely rare, and doing so would be a flagrant violation of the rule. Although the T is not a flagrant T, given the circumstances it merits the same kind of report a flagrant T would receive.

It's up to the state how to handle the report, and if they deem the violation non-flagrant they're free to ignore it.

I totally agree. In Georgia, if a coach gets an unsporting technical, it gets reported to the state association. This would be no different. Yes you apply the rules and penalty according to FED guidelines, but each state has it's own guidelines governing technical fouls given to a coach. For Nevada to compare this technical to any other violation of the rule is crazy, IMO.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by mbyron

No, of course I don't report all technical fouls. But rather than distinguish some T's as reportable and others as not, I distinguish instead how the rule was violated.

In this area, using video at halftime is extremely rare, and doing so would be a flagrant violation of the rule. Although the T is not a flagrant T, given the circumstances it merits the same kind of report a flagrant T would receive.

It's up to the state how to handle the report, and if they deem the violation non-flagrant they're free to ignore it.

Here's why I make this comparison. If a team were to remove the scorebook at halftime and take it to the lockerroom, most officials would say, "Oh, that's ok, they didn't know they couldn't." Now when a coach uses a video clip from the first half in the lockerroom, why wouldn't an officials say the same thing? What if the coach truly didn't know that he couldn't do that?

I don't see why people think that one is isn't a big deal and that the other is egregious.

For those who say that they are doing no more than enforce the proper penalty, I can't agree because not only are they enforcing the book penalty on the court, but they are also adding something else to it by generating a report to the state, unless the state specifically requires one for all Ts.

That's just my opinion and clearly not everyone agrees. Each person must do as they believe is best, but I'm not going to be writing a report on every unusual rule infraction that I handle in a game.

PS Would anyone write a report to the state office because there was a T for goaltending during a FT?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If you can verify this, then the proper penalty is a team technical foul. Nothing gets charged either directly or indirectly to the head coach.

The reference is 10-1-3 and the chart on page 72.

Which I don't think is right, I think it should be charged directly to coach. But...that's not the question.