Flopping

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Flopping is defined as faking being fouled. How can you call a block when there's no illegal contact?

It's never a good idea to make up your own rules imo. If an official has a concern about a player flopping, then the rules already allow that official to stop the practice. If you want to warn first, fine. If it bothers you or if they ignore your warning, then simply issue the technical foul. If you don't want to use the rules that we have though, don't get into making things up.

I know there's no contact. Hey I just had "bad judgement" on that play. What's the flopper's Coach going to say? He flopped?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

I know there's no contact. Hey I just had "bad judgement" on that play. What's the flopper's Coach going to say? He flopped?

Sure. He'll say you made a blocking call when there was no contact. That's clearly against the rules. You screwed up.

Now, what do you do?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Sure. He'll say you made a blocking call when there was no contact. That's clearly against the rules. You screwed up.

Now, what do you do?

Thank him?

[M&M Guy]

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Thank him?

LOL!!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

I know there's no contact. Hey I just had "bad judgement" on that play. What's the flopper's Coach going to say? He flopped?

Yup. And if he does say that his player flopped, what are you gonna do now?

Do whatever you want to, Gordon. All I can do is give you my opinion. And my opinion is that you shouldn't try to blow smoke up anybody's azz when you're officiating, be they player or coach. Believe it or not, there are some very knowledgeable coaches out there.

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yup. And if he does say that his player flopped, what are you gonna do now?

It will never happen. If he does "sorry I must have missed it" or if he's being a pain. "Coach, are you accusing me of cheating?" If he says yes see ya!!!!!!!

Do whatever you want to, Gordon. All I can do is give you my opinion. And .my opinion is that you shouldn't try to blow smoke up anybody's azz when you're officiating, be they player or coach. Believe it or not, there are some very knowledgeable coaches out there.

I'm not getting into a P***ing contest with you. Incidentally knoweledgeable Coaches get it. If not. Oh well.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

If he does "sorry I must have missed it" or if he's being a pain. "Coach, are you accusing me of cheating?" If he says yes see ya!!!!!!!

So, you advocate lying to a coach, then tossing him when he calls you on it?

[mbyron]

I have to say that officials in my area are very reluctant to call a T, on this or anything else. I think that attitude toward technical fouls drives people to think of workarounds, such as the one gordon30307 has devised. (I don't presume to say what motivated him.)

I think that it's a bad habit to come up with workarounds when the rules specifically address a problem, and that we should diagnose what attitude (disliking T's, for example) lies behind the desire for a workaround.

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

So, you advocate lying to a coach, then tossing him when he calls you on it?

First thing I say. Sorry Coach you may be right, or from your angle you may be right, I saw it different, or something like that. If he persists. Coach are you accusing me of cheating? If he's stupid enough to say yes. See ya!!!!!!!!

I'm not getting into a p***ing contest with you either. What works for you works for you. Lots of different ways to handle situations. Have a good day.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

First thing I say. Sorry Coach you may be right, or from your angle you may be right, I saw it different, or something like that. If he persists. Coach are you accusing me of cheating? If he's stupid enough to say yes. See ya!!!!!!!!

I'm not getting into a p***ing contest with you either. What works for you works for you. Lots of different ways to handle situations. Have a good day.

So, you advocate lying to the coach?

Look, if you're going to call it that way, be honest with the coach about it when he questions you.

"Coach, you're right. He flopped. By rule, it's a Technical foul. I thought I'd save your player a T, but if you want me to do it by the book, I can oblige."

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

First thing I say. Sorry Coach you may be right, or from your angle you may be right, I saw it different, or something like that.

Since you admitted you saw the flop, this is obviously lying to the coach. If the coach saw the same thing, he also knows you're lying. If I was your partner, you would've lost your credibility in my eyes.

Originally Posted by gordon30307

If he persists. Coach are you accusing me of cheating? If he's stupid enough to say yes. See ya!!!!!!!!

Again, you lie to him, he calls you on it, and you toss him?

Originally Posted by gordon30307

Lots of different ways to handle situations.

This is not meant to be a p!ssing contest, unless you want to make it that. You are right that there are many ways to handle situations; I'm curious as to why you picked this particular way, as opposed to warning the player first? How about mentioning to the coach that you saw the player flop? If it's an obvious flop, why wouldn't you call the T?

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Since you admitted you saw the flop, this is obviously lying to the coach. If the coach saw the same thing, he also knows you're lying. If I was your partner, you would've lost your credibility in my eyes.


Again, you lie to him, he calls you on it, and you toss him?


This is not meant to be a p!ssing contest, unless you want to make it that. You are right that there are many ways to handle situations; I'm curious as to why you picked this particular way, as opposed to warning the player first? How about mentioning to the coach that you saw the player flop? If it's an obvious flop, why wouldn't you call the T?

Why call the T. I agree as per rule you're right if you do. If I call the block the kids still being "punished if you will". I don't have to deal with all of the emotions that occur when a T is called. Incidently last year I called 26 Tees of all sorts bookkeping etc. Only one ejection an AAU Coach. Lest you think I don't. I did about 110 games of various sorts. No t's in Varsity Games. Most were in AAU.

I can't see myself calling a T for flopping (Not saying I never will) I will either pass on it, call a block, tell the kid to stop etc.

Hey you should be off ball when I made that call. LOL

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Since you admitted you saw the flop, this is obviously lying to the coach. If the coach saw the same thing, he also knows you're lying. If I was your partner, you would've lost your credibility in my eyes.

Coaches think we lie to them even when we are not lying to them. At some point, who gives a rat's azz if a coach thinks were are lying. I am not talking about this situation, but I am not going to admit something to a coach because my partner obviously screwed up. I do not care about my credibility about a coach on the basis of one call. I am starting to channel Dan's mind or spirit or something, but why are we so concerned with what a coach thinks and in a year they will not even be at that job anymore?

Peace