flopping

[stewcall]

Another rule was discussed last night by our state- flopping by the defense. I seemed to hear two things- call it a block...... call it a Technical....
hummm.
I understand the intent- it's a good and safe thing to get this type of play out of the game.
I guess if the player is on the floor and in danger of hurting others--- it's a block. If it just bad acting it's a Technical- My understanding is this has always been there- just rarely inforced. My guess is we'll see more Blocking calls

Stew in VA
CVBOA

[mick]

Originally posted by stewcall
I guess if the player is on the floor and in danger of hurting others--- it's a block.

Stew in VA,
This is a weak rule, in my opinion. I have trouble imagining any call.

If a danger is created, I suppose I could go for an unsporting technical foul for littering the floor.

I definitely would not have a block for a flop with no contact.

mick

[Nevadaref]

I'm in the other camp. I almost always call a block on the flopper. I see it as a safety issue. Not only does this player make the officials and the game look bad to the fans who scream when no call is made, but they could be stepped on while on the floor. This could hurt that player or another who turns and ankle or twists a knee in the process.
If the coach questions the call, I usually tell them, "He faked it(flopped) and I could call a it T if you prefer." I'll also let the coach know that if he can get his kid to stand there and take the contact, I'll happily call the PC for him.
I have never had to make this call more than once in any game.

[ChrisSportsFan]

Originally posted by Nevadaref
I'm in the other camp. I almost always call a block on the flopper. I see it as a safety issue. Not only does this player make the officials and the game look bad to the fans who scream when no call is made, but they could be stepped on while on the floor. This could hurt that player or another who turns and ankle or twists a knee in the process.
If the coach questions the call, I usually tell them, "He faked it(flopped) and I could call a it T if you prefer." I'll also let the coach know that if he can get his kid to stand there and take the contact, I'll happily call the PC for him.
I have never had to make this call more than once in any game.

EXACTLY!

[JRutledge]

Go to the coach or go to the player and tell them to knock it off. Warn them you can call a T for it, and I bet you will have it stop immedietely. But if there is slight contact, I am calling a block. I think a T should only be called in an extreme situation or when they will not stop doing it. But you have to do something, just do not make the T your first option.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

"Flopping" is another POE this year- POE #4B on p71 of the NFHS rule book.

[mick]

Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan

EXACTLY!

So, ... are you enforcing by rule or by personal attitude?
mick

[Nevadaref]

Well, you could say that, but then consider how many multiple fouls or 3 second calls you make in each game you work?
I'd bet you haven't gotten to where you are by calling everything by the book.

[ChrisSportsFan]

it was suggestd at our meeting that if everyone brings this up at the capt's meeting for the first couple of games, we "should" have it under control. That way if we T the little flopper, can't say you wern't warned.

[zebraman]

First incidence of flopping with no contact gets a warning. Next one gets a T (never had the "next one" after a warning). Any flopping with minor contact is a block.

Z

[mick]

Originally posted by Nevadaref
Well, you could say that, but then consider how many multiple fouls or 3 second calls you make in each game you work?
I'd bet you haven't gotten to where you are by calling everything by the book.

Nevada,
It is possibly considered semantics, but I see a polite difference between making calls contrary to the rules and having no-calls contrary to the rules... but, then again, I am left-handed.
mick

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by mick
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Nevada,
It is possibly considered semantics, but I see a polite difference between making calls contrary to the rules and having no-calls contrary to the rules... but, then again, I am left-handed.
[/B][/QUOTE]Is this where we bring up your left-handed balls again also?

That one goes back a coupla years, folks.

[mick]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
... but, then again, I am left-handed.

Is this where we bring up your left-handed balls again also?

That one goes back a coupla years, folks. [/B][/QUOTE]

Yes, that was exactly what I needed.
mick

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Nevada,
It is possibly considered semantics, but I see a polite difference between making calls contrary to the rules and having no-calls contrary to the rules... but, then again, I am left-handed.
[/B]

Is this where we bring up your left-handed balls again also?

That one goes back a coupla years, folks. [/B][/QUOTE]

I think this merits bringing back the search function.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter

Is this where we bring up your left-handed balls again also?

That one goes back a coupla years, folks. [/B]

I think this merits bringing back the search function. [/B][/QUOTE]You're gonna search for Mick's left-handed balls?

Be my guest.