Flopping

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

So my season starts out with you basic vanilla JV tourney. So we about 30 seconds into my first game and this kid does a Vlade Divac on the court, and not a very good one at that. First chance I get I talk to him about it and he's good to go. one other kid tried it and I told him what the penalty was.

So has anyone really issued a T for "faking being fouled" ? I asked other refs this weekend and they pretty much looked at me like I had lobsters coming out of my head. The whole flopping thing annoys me but I really don't want to be the first one in the history of basketball to throw a T for flopping.

So what do you think ?

Call a block and send him to the free throw line. If they don't get the message you'll soon be rid of the troublemakers.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

Call a block and send him to the free throw line. If they don't get the message you'll soon be rid of the troublemakers.

Flopping is defined as faking being fouled. How can you call a block when there's no illegal contact?

It's never a good idea to make up your own rules imo. If an official has a concern about a player flopping, then the rules already allow that official to stop the practice. If you want to warn first, fine. If it bothers you or if they ignore your warning, then simply issue the technical foul. If you don't want to use the rules that we have though, don't get into making things up.

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Flopping is defined as faking being fouled. How can you call a block when there's no illegal contact?

It's never a good idea to make up your own rules imo. If an official has a concern about a player flopping, then the rules already allow that official to stop the practice. If you want to warn first, fine. If it bothers you or if they ignore your warning, then simply issue the technical foul. If you don't want to use the rules that we have though, don't get into making things up.

I know there's no contact. Hey I just had "bad judgement" on that play. What's the flopper's Coach going to say? He flopped?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

I know there's no contact. Hey I just had "bad judgement" on that play. What's the flopper's Coach going to say? He flopped?

Sure. He'll say you made a blocking call when there was no contact. That's clearly against the rules. You screwed up.

Now, what do you do?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Sure. He'll say you made a blocking call when there was no contact. That's clearly against the rules. You screwed up.

Now, what do you do?

Thank him?

[M&M Guy]

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Thank him?

LOL!!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

I know there's no contact. Hey I just had "bad judgement" on that play. What's the flopper's Coach going to say? He flopped?

Yup. And if he does say that his player flopped, what are you gonna do now?

Do whatever you want to, Gordon. All I can do is give you my opinion. And my opinion is that you shouldn't try to blow smoke up anybody's azz when you're officiating, be they player or coach. Believe it or not, there are some very knowledgeable coaches out there.

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yup. And if he does say that his player flopped, what are you gonna do now?

It will never happen. If he does "sorry I must have missed it" or if he's being a pain. "Coach, are you accusing me of cheating?" If he says yes see ya!!!!!!!

Do whatever you want to, Gordon. All I can do is give you my opinion. And .my opinion is that you shouldn't try to blow smoke up anybody's azz when you're officiating, be they player or coach. Believe it or not, there are some very knowledgeable coaches out there.

I'm not getting into a P***ing contest with you. Incidentally knoweledgeable Coaches get it. If not. Oh well.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by gordon30307

If he does "sorry I must have missed it" or if he's being a pain. "Coach, are you accusing me of cheating?" If he says yes see ya!!!!!!!

So, you advocate lying to a coach, then tossing him when he calls you on it?

[mbyron]

I have to say that officials in my area are very reluctant to call a T, on this or anything else. I think that attitude toward technical fouls drives people to think of workarounds, such as the one gordon30307 has devised. (I don't presume to say what motivated him.)

I think that it's a bad habit to come up with workarounds when the rules specifically address a problem, and that we should diagnose what attitude (disliking T's, for example) lies behind the desire for a workaround.

[gordon30307]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

So, you advocate lying to a coach, then tossing him when he calls you on it?

First thing I say. Sorry Coach you may be right, or from your angle you may be right, I saw it different, or something like that. If he persists. Coach are you accusing me of cheating? If he's stupid enough to say yes. See ya!!!!!!!!

I'm not getting into a p***ing contest with you either. What works for you works for you. Lots of different ways to handle situations. Have a good day.

[IREFU2]

I agree here, it is faking being fouled, but I have never seen anyone in our area call a "T" for it.