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Old Thu Nov 22, 2007, 08:54pm
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Delay - Team Technical or Player Technical?

Team Technical or Player Technical?

Rule 4-47 A warning to a team for delay is an administrative procedure by an official which is recorded in the scorebook by the scorer and reported to the coach:
Article 1 For throw in violations, as in 9-2-10 (Opponent(s) of the thrower shall not have any part of his/her person through the inbounds side of the throw in boundary line plane until the ball has been released on the throw in pass).
Article 2 For huddle by either team and contact with the free thrower, as in 10-1-5c (Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest...contact with the free thrower or a huddle of two or more players by either team prior to a free throw).
Article 3 For interfering with the ball following a goal, as in 10-1-5d (Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest...interfering with the ball following a goal).
Article 4 For failure to have the court ready for play following any time out as in 10-1-5e (Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest...not having the court ready for play following any time out).
Rule 10-1-5c, 10-1-5d, and 10-1-5e refer to Team Technicals after any team warning for delay.

Rule 10-3-6 Delay the game by acts such as:
a. Preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play.
d. Repeated violations of the throw in, as in 9-2-10 (The opponents(s) of the thrower shall not have any part of his/her person through the inbounds side of the throw in boundary line plane until the ball has been released on the throw in pass).
Rule 10-3-6 refers to a Player Technical after any team warning for delay.

After the delay warning to a team, is it a team technical or a player technical?
1) Article 1 (Boundary Line) - Player Technical (4-47-1, 9-2-10, 10-3-6d) seems to be the only possible outcome.
2) Article 2 (Huddle) - Team Technical (4-47-2, 10-1-5c) seems to be only possible outcome.
3) Article 3 (Interfering) - Team Technical (4-47-3, 10-1-5d) or Player Technical (4-47-3, 10-3-6a).
4) Article 4 (Court Ready) - Team Technical 4-47-4, 10-1-5e) seems to be the only possibility.

Article 1 seems to say that this act results in a Player Technical, which will impact the number of fouls that will count towards a player’s disqualification.

Article 3 seems to present two possible outcomes, one of which will impact the number of fouls that will count towards a player’s disqualification. Is Article 3 a Team Technical or a Player Technical?

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Old Thu Nov 22, 2007, 09:30pm
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All four of the actions covered by the DOG warnings result in TEAM technical fouls and are not charged to any individual player and do NOT count towards the five fouls required for disqualification.

10-3-6 is for those actions which are not covered by the four provisions in 4-47.

The case book clarifies this.

10.1.5 SITUATION D: Immediately following a goal by A1, A3 slaps the ball away so that Team B is unable to make a quick throw-in. RULING: The official shall sound his/her whistle and go to the table to have the scorer record a team warning for delay. The warning shall then be reported to the head coach of Team A. Any subsequent delay by Team A shall result in a technical foul charged to Team A. (4-47-3)
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Old Thu Nov 22, 2007, 09:33pm
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An example of something covered by 10-3-6 is this:

10.3.6 SITUATION: The calling official has reported the foul and has given directions to players along the lane. The official is ready to put the ball at free thrower A1's disposal, but A1 is at the sideline talking to the coach. RULING: A technical foul for delay is charged to A1. No warning is authorized in this situation. (10-3-6c)

See the difference?
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Old Thu Nov 22, 2007, 10:07pm
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I knew that someone else had just asked this same question!
Wrong way & Delay of Game

Do you have a study guide or review test that has something similar to his #100?
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Old Fri Nov 23, 2007, 11:16am
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Agree And Maybe Disagree ???

From Nevadaref: "All four of the actions covered by the DOG warnings result in TEAM technical fouls and are not charged to any individual player and do NOT count towards the five fouls required for disqualification. 10-3-6 is for those actions which are not covered by the four provisions in 4-47. The case book clarifies this. 10.1.5 SITUATION D: Immediately following a goal by A1, A3 slaps the ball away so that Team B is unable to make a quick throw-in. RULING: The official shall sound his/her whistle and go to the table to have the scorer record a team warning for delay. The warning shall then be reported to the head coach of Team A. Any subsequent delay by Team A shall result in a technical foul charged to Team A. (4-47-3)

Nevadaref: Thanks for your quick response and citations. One of your citations, 10.1.5 SITUATION D, was not very helpful because I'm more concerned with what happens after the warning, Team Technical or Player Technical, and your citation doesn't mention which specific "subsequent" delay, of the four possible, results in the Team Techical.

I agree with you that Article 3 (Interfering) should result in a Team Technical (Rule 4-47 A warning to a team for delay is an administrative procedure by an official which is recorded in the scorebook by the scorer and reported to the coach: Article 3 For interfering with the ball following a goal, as in 10-1-5d (Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest...interfering with the ball following a goal) because Article 3 also cites 10-1-5d, which is the section that deals with Team Technicals.

I'm not sure I agree with you regarding "All four of the actions covered by the DOG warnings result in TEAM technical fouls and are not charged to any individual player and do NOT count towards the five fouls required for disqualification", specifically regarding Article 1 (Rule 4-47 A warning to a team for delay is an administrative procedure by an official which is recorded in the scorebook by the scorer and reported to the coach: Article 1 For throw in violations, as in 9-2-10 (Opponent(s) of the thrower shall not have any part of his/her person through the inbounds side of the throw in boundary line plane until the ball has been released on the throw in pass)). Unlike the other Articles in Rule 4-47, this does not cite any additional rules. Also, Rule 10-3-6d specifically deals with this type of delay (Rule 10-3-6 Delay the game by acts such as: d. Repeated violations of the throw in, as in 9-2-10 (The opponents(s) of the thrower shall not have any part of his/her person through the inbounds side of the throw in boundary line plane until the ball has been released on the throw in pass). This section of the rules, 10-3, deals with Player Technicals.

In summary, I agree with you that three of the four delays mentioned in 4-47 should result in Team Technicals after the warning, Article 2 (Huddle), Article 3 (Interfering), and Article 4 (Court Ready). I might disagree with you regarding Article 1 (Boundary Line Plane), which I believe should result in a Player Technical after the warning.

For those Forum members who think that this is a minor point because the penalty for all four delays is a Technical Foul, let me remind you that 4-47-1 will impact the number of fouls that will count towards a player’s disqualification.

Nevadaref: I look forward to your reply and any additional citations that your might provide. Hopefully other Forum members will offer their insight to this question.
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Old Fri Nov 23, 2007, 04:41pm
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Ok, Billy, so I only need to convince you that it is a TEAM technical foul to break the throw-in boundary plane following an official DOG warning.

I refer you to 9-2-10 Penalty #2 "The second or additional violations will result in a technical foul assessed to the offending team. See 10-1-10 Penalty."

Here is 10-1-10 under the section heading TEAM TECHNICAL: "A team shall not:...following any team warning for delay, commit a violation of the throw-in boundary-line plane as in 9-2-10."

Please note that the penalty is different if the player who breaks the plane also contacts the ball. In that case a PLAYER technical foul is charged as well as a team warning for delay per 10-3-11 and 9-2-10 Penalty #3.
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