Lack of Action Mechanic

Originally Posted by rsox34

Are you talking about the "not closely guarded mechanic?" This mechanic that the NFHS has finally adopted as official is not the same as the old lack of action signal that I think your interpreter dislikes. I personally never liked the not closely guarded signal--if I'm not counting--the defender is not within 6ft of the guy he is trying to defend. But others have used the "not closely guarded signal" for years and I guess the Fed finally gave in.

I agree. Since when do we signal when something DID NOT happen!? In KS we only are "asked" to use it when WE want to clarify to the coaches or fans that the defender is slightly beyond 6 feet.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

I agree. Since when do we signal when something DID NOT happen!? In KS we only are "asked" to use it when WE want to clarify to the coaches or fans that the defender is slightly beyond 6 feet.

Clarification is the entire reason the mechanic is to be used. You do not use it all the time.

Peace

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Clarification is the entire reason the mechanic is to be used. You do not use it all the time.

Peace

Agree.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Clarification is the entire reason the mechanic is to be used. You do not use it all the time.

Yep, that's what the comment on page 71 of the rules book says.

[JRutledge]

You do not need a rulebook to clarify this. This was a college mechanic and that is all it was used for, clarification.

Peace

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by KSRef07

I agree. Since when do we signal when something DID NOT happen!? In KS we only are "asked" to use it when WE want to clarify to the coaches or fans that the defender is slightly beyond 6 feet.

Just as a follow-on to this, what is the rule for determining the 6 foot distance for both NCAA & NFHS? At a HS camp this summer we were told that if a defender extended an arm toward the offensive player that was within the 6 foot distance, you start the count. However, I'm pretty sure that I have read in some of the NCAA material that the distance is judged by where the defenders feet, NOT where the hands are....is this truly a difference or was I given a bad interp this summer? I have always used the feet as the indicator and not started the count when a defender reaches out as far as they can while staying as far away as possible just to get a count started....

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by kbilla

Just as a follow-on to this, what is the rule for determining the 6 foot distance for both NCAA & NFHS? At a HS camp this summer we were told that if a defender extended an arm toward the offensive player that was within the 6 foot distance, you start the count. However, I'm pretty sure that I have read in some of the NCAA material that the distance is judged by where the defenders feet, NOT where the hands are....is this truly a difference or was I given a bad interp this summer? I have always used the feet as the indicator and not started the count when a defender reaches out as far as they can while staying as far away as possible just to get a count started....

FED rulebook specifically says "forward foot... to forward foot"

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

FED rulebook specifically says "forward foot... to forward foot"

Thanks Bob, that is what I suspected which is why I raised an eyebrow when that came up this summer....I guess you can't always trust the "experts"...do you have the reference?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by kbilla

Thanks Bob, that is what I suspected which is why I raised an eyebrow when that came up this summer....I guess you can't always trust the "experts"...do you have the reference?

4-Closely Guarded would be a good place to start.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

4-Closely Guarded would be a good place to start.

Perhaps this was once specified in the rules, or was once issued as an interp? I have never seen this in the rule book anywhere. It's not in 4-10.

[Nevadaref]

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins
4-Closely Guarded would be a good place to start.

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Perhaps this was once specified in the rules, or was once issued as an interp? I have never seen this in the rule book anywhere. It's not in 4-10.

BITS, you must be looking at the 2006-07 book. The forward foot to forward foot directive appears in the new 2007-08 version.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

FED rulebook specifically says "forward foot... to forward foot"

That's the correct procedure. I've had some men's rec teams where if you counted stomach to stomach, even though their feet were six feet apart, you'd have to count. And - don't get me started on women's teams.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

That's the correct procedure. I've had some men's rec teams where if you counted stomach to stomach, even though their feet were six feet apart, you'd have to count. And - don't get me started on women's teams.

Mark, stomach to stomach . Can they see their feet to know if they are within the required distance to start a count? Just asking.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

This has been a signal in CCA Men' and /Women's Manuals for a number of years. I have never used the signal in a college game and I will never use the signal in a H.S. game for one simple reason: If I AIN'T counting, then there is no closely guarded situation.

The signal is by far the most stupid idiotic signal one could think of. The signal is for coaches who are too stupid to understand the concept that if the official is not counting it means that that is no closely guarded situation.

MTD, Sr.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

This has been a signal in CCA Men' and /Women's Manuals for a number of years. I have never used the singal in a college game and I will never use the signal in a H.S. game for one simple reason: If I AIN'T counting, then there is no closely guarded situation.

The signal is by far the most stupid idiotic signal one could think of. The signal is for coaches who are too stupid to understand the concept that if the official is not counting it means that that is no closely guarded situation.

MTD, Sr.

Come on, Mark. Don't sugar coat it. Tell us how you really feel.