Speaking of visible counts...

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

My arm is fully extended and "chops" at 0. If you count that as a swing, then I need 6 or 11 swings because.... well, I"m sure you can do the math.

I can do the math, it's the physics I'm having trouble with.

You consider the chop as count zero? That's not an arm swing, is it?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I heard she counts in binary.
violation at 101.

As we know, there are only 10 kinds of people: those who know binary, and those who don't.

[mick]

Originally Posted by mbyron

As we know, there are only 10 kinds of people: those who know binary, and those who don't.

Ha!

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

First, he hearses. But he's so bad at it, he has to rehearse.

Unfortunately, that is probably what it will take to get him off the air. But, then again CBS may do a cardboard cutout of him like they had for fans at the NAC tournament a few years ago in Hartford.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

I can do the math, it's the physics I'm having trouble with.

You consider the chop as count zero? That's not an arm swing, is it?

"Chop" was a bad choice of words. When I do this, it's an arm swing at count zero. Arm is fully extended out to the side, and gets to fully extended at zero.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

It means I give 6 (or 11) slashes instead of 5 or 10...

I think that this is going to come back and bite you one day... If someone sees you counting 10 on a backcourt on video and you don't have a violation, that is pretty hard to justify!

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Brad

I think that this is going to come back and bite you one day... If someone sees you counting 10 on a backcourt on video and you don't have a violation, that is pretty hard to justify!

It doesn't need justification, just explanation. it's not that tough -- 10 strokes =9 seconds. Still, coaches can be difficult when it serves their purposes. I"ll consider what you're saying.

I guess what's working is giving a physical signal that control has begun and I'm counting. Any suggestions for how to convey that differently from a stroke of the counting arm.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

It doesn't need justification, just explanation. it's not that tough -- 10 strokes =9 seconds. Still, coaches can be difficult when it serves their purposes. I"ll consider what you're saying.

I guess what's working is giving a physical signal that control has begun and I'm counting. Any suggestions for how to convey that differently from a stroke of the counting arm.

Start your count when you reach a second. Coaches count our signals so do not be so sure.

I used to do what you are advocating a long time ago and I was told to stop. Would you do the same thing during your 5 second count? You do not need to convince anyone your count has started. Keep it simple and leave your mechanics as the explanation. If you have to come back and explain, that could lead to other conversations you might not want to have.

Peace

[Brad]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

It doesn't need justification, just explanation. it's not that tough -- 10 strokes =9 seconds. Still, coaches can be difficult when it serves their purposes. I"ll consider what you're saying.

I guess what's working is giving a physical signal that control has begun and I'm counting. Any suggestions for how to convey that differently from a stroke of the counting arm.

Yeah - but they may or may not buy that explanation!

I would have the first arm count be at 1, as normal. I've never had a coach start yelling immediately about a count -- they only start yelling after 2-3 seconds if you are not counting. That's been my experience anyway...

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

It doesn't need justification, just explanation. it's not that tough -- 10 strokes =9 seconds. Still, coaches can be difficult when it serves their purposes. I"ll consider what you're saying.

Only problem is that you often can't give an explanation to someone who's watching you on tape . . . or to the crowd . . . or to a camp clinician.

I guess what's working is giving a physical signal that control has begun and I'm counting. Any suggestions for how to convey that differently from a stroke of the counting arm.

I wouldn't worry about it too much. Like Brad said, the coaches just want you to start counting at some point "soon" - they don't care about the exact zero point. If you absolutely feel the need to indicate something on a 10 second count, you can "point" the other way, although this is much more of a "D-I only" mechanic.

When I do counts, I extend my forearm straight in and out at shoulder height parallel to the floor. Before I give the "1" swing, I bring my elbow and arm up (as if I were on the in-swing of a count). I guess you could use that, too, to make sure you start with a 0 count.