Improper Whistle

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

4-4-3: "A ball which is in flight retains the same location as when it was last in contact with a player or the court"

It was last in contact with a player at the original throw-in spot.

If you've got a throw-in in a team's backcourt( say, their endline) with a second or 2 left in a tied game, are you really going to move the ball 50 feet up the court for another throw-in because you blew an IW?

[Scrapper1]

All I'm saying is that once the ball touches the court, it doesn't matter where it was last touched by a person. If it touches the court, then that's the ball's location. "A ball which is in flight retains the same location as when it was last in contact with a player or the court."

Once it bounces, it has been in contact with the court. That means its location is the same location as when it was last in contact with the court. And that means that its location is NOT the last throw-in spot.

[kbilla]

the throw in never ended though! how can you have a different spot if the throw in never ended?

[kbilla]

think about a long pass from one end line that never touches anyone, but bounces along the floor and then out of bounds at the opposite end line. would you put it in play from the opposite end line or bring it back to the original throw-in spot?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by kbilla

think about a long pass from one end line that never touches anyone, but bounces along the floor and then out of bounds at the opposite end line. would you put it in play from the opposite end line or bring it back to the original throw-in spot?

That's a throw-in violation, and the throw-in spot is the spot of the original throw-in. Has nothing to do with this play, however.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

All I'm saying is that once the ball touches the court, it doesn't matter where it was last touched by a person. If it touches the court, then that's the ball's location. "A ball which is in flight retains the same location as when it was last in contact with a player or the court."

Once it bounces, it has been in contact with the court. That means its location is the same location as when it was last in contact with the court. And that means that its location is NOT the last throw-in spot.

Yes, the ball location is the spot it last touched the court. But the POI doesn't say "resume at the ball location" for this type of POI.

[kbilla]

you are correct, all i was trying to convey is that the throw in never ended..if the throw in never ended how could you be inbounding from a spot different from the original inbounds spot...can you think of a situation where you would?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by kbilla

you are correct, all i was trying to convey is that the throw in never ended..if the throw in never ended how could you be inbounding from a spot different from the original inbounds spot...can you think of a situation where you would?

A common foul before the bonus.

A non-throw-in violation (kicking, hitting with a fist, BI, throwing the ball through the basket).

[Adam]

Since the rules don't specify; I'd say to put the ball back in play at the original throwin spot since it makes the most sense.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Since the rules don't specify; I'd say to put the ball back in play at the original throwin spot since it makes the most sense.

I'm not sure it makes more sense, to be honest. I think, by rule, a reasonable case can be made for putting it in play at the spot closest to where it became dead. But I agree that the common sense thing to do is a "do-over", even though we know that there's not really any such thing.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Since the rules don't specify; I'd say to put the ball back in play at the original throwin spot since it makes the most sense.

Which was my point....and which seems to be the same point as Bob J's.

It ain't covered definitively. Everybody is free to follow their own "sense" as to which is the appropriate throw-in spot. My own personal sense says that it's the same throw-in and I'm just gonna duplicate it. Iow, it's going back to the original spot. That doesn't mean that Skippy's different "sense" is wrong though.

This is another play that needs a FED interpretation.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes, the ball location is the spot it last touched the court. But the POI doesn't say "resume at the ball location" for this type of POI.

It also doesn't say "a free throw or throw-in at the original throw-in spot when the interruption occurred during this activity". It just says a throw-in. And where do we put the ball back in play normally? Either at the ball's location (as directed in the POI definition) or at the spot closest to an infraction. Since there is no infraction here, it seems to make sense to put the ball in play at the location of the ball when it became dead.