Improper Whistle

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It is an IW. But you still grant the TO because the ball is now dead and you have no rules basis for refusing.

I understand it was an IW. Correct you must still grant the TO request. I was asking why should you try to treat as an IW and not grant the TO. Maybe, I did not make that clear enough in my response.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by truerookie

I understand it was an IW. Correct you must still grant the TO request. I was asking why should you try to treat as an IW and not grant the TO. Maybe, I did not make that clear enough in my response.

What difference does it make? No matter what you call it, you're still going to do the same thing.

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by truerookie

I understand it was an IW. Correct you must still grant the TO request. I was asking why should you try to treat as an IW and not grant the TO. Maybe, I did not make that clear enough in my response.

I guess what I was trying to point out is that in the original situation, there is no mention of a signal to the table for a timeout, just a whistle being blown. If someone requests a timeout, and a whistle is blown, does that mean the timeout has been granted?

I'm thinking of a common situation (at least in youth basketball) where there's a scramble for a ball and in the midst of a tie up, someone asks for a timeout. Usually you'll see a held ball signal with no timeout granted, or a timeout granted with no held ball called, depending on the officials' judgment. Based on the quoted logic, should the timeout request be granted despite a held ball call?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by truerookie

I understand it was an IW. Correct you must still grant the TO request. I was asking why should you try to treat as an IW and not grant the TO. Maybe, I did not make that clear enough in my response.

I understood what you meant, sorry. My point was that it doesn't matter what you call it. By rule, it's an IW. By rule, you still grant the TO. I've seen guys do exactly what is mentioned in the scrum; accidentally hit the whistle for a TO, realize there is no control, and go with a jump ball and not give the TO.

I've never had this particular IW, but I've had others; just like I used to start raising my hand for a call and had to pull it back down.

Normally, if a coach is screaming for a TO in a loose ball scrum; I'll signal the held ball and turn to him to ask if he still wants it.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

The original post says that the official sounded the whistle for a timeout request. Does that imply that the timeout has been granted, or does the official have to notify the table before a timeout has actually been granted?

Could this be handled as an inadvertent whistle if the table hasn't been notified?

I think you can go with an inadvertent whistle in this sitch, but once you notify the table, too late (imo).

NCAA iaw says the whistle was blown as an oversight, with no call to make.

edited - as snaqwells writes, either way you grant the timeout.