Double Foul During Free Throw

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Sigh.....

Got a definitive rules citation to back that up?

Btw, could you also point me to the previous discussion?

Your approach is getting really old. How about posting a reason the statement is not valid rather implying you don't believe a post and ask them to prove it. If you have reason to believe it untrue, give something more intelligent than "Sigh... Got a definitive rules citation to back that up?". Offer something useful....something that couters the claim.

[Nevadaref]

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Got a definitive rules citation to back that up?

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Your approach is getting really old.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

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Yes, I am old. I am not so addled though that I'll accept "opinions" as being gospel though. Note- that applies to your's and Camron's opinion.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Your approach is getting really old. How about posting a reason the statement is not valid rather implying you don't believe a post and ask them to prove it. If you have reason to believe it untrue, give something more intelligent than "Sigh... Got a definitive rules citation to back that up?". Offer something useful....something that couters the claim.

And your reading comprehension seems to be lacking also. If you go back and read what I posted, I agreed with Bob Jenkins that there DOESN'T seem to be a DEFINITIVE rules citation because R4-11-2 and R4-11-3 seem to say completely different things, and R6-7-7 and EXCEPTION(c) can be interpreted differently also. I then agreed with the way that Bob interpreted the language.

Imo, there is NO definitive rules citation to cite, and I have stated such. The language of the rules conflict and is hazy in a situation when both teams commit a foul, and thus can be interpreted differently. Iow, this is another situation where people interpreting the existing language differently could end up either being right or wrong. I recognize that. You won't. Quite simply, what I won't state is that I am categorically 100% right in my opinion, like you people are doing.

The lack of a definitive ruling doesn't seem to stop the infallible ones on this forum from stating that their freaking opinion of which rule is applicable is the ONLY true opinion possible. That's consistent with your collective past postings also, and it sureashell has got old with me too.

I still agree with Bob Jenkins' take and I still refuse to debate the reasons why any further with you and the others like you. It's pointless.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

........ R4-11-2 and R4-11-3 seem to say completely different things, and R6-7-7 and EXCEPTION(c) can be interpreted differently also. I then agreed with the way that Bob interpreted the language.

4-11-2 and 6-7-7 (c) both refer to a foul by an opponent of the player who has started a try. 4-11-3 refers to a foul by a teammate of the player who has started a try. These plays refer to different situations, so why would they not say "completely different things."


4.19.8 C, the other play cited, refers to a try which has been released, so I don't see that it could be applicable here, either.


Having reviewed all this, 4-11-2 " .....if a teammate fouls......before the ball is in flight.....ball becomes dead immediately...." does indeed seem definitive to me.