Pro hop Question

[i ekMo i]

Also, Is jump stopping legal to do in other directions. Ive seen many players instad of doing a step-back jumper, they kinda jump back into the shooting position.

[BktBallRef]

Doubtful that it could be done legally.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by i ekMo i

Also, Is jump stopping legal to do in other directions. Ive seen many players instad of doing a step-back jumper, they kinda jump back into the shooting position.

Usually not legal, often ignored or no-called by refs. At least in Oregon it is often ignored.

Also, I'd like you to note that the rules for travelling in the NBA are quite different from college and high school ball, and thus the jump stop rules are different. Just wanting to make that clear...

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Usually not legal, often ignored or no-called by refs. At least in Oregon it is often ignored.

Also, I'd like you to note that the rules for travelling in the NBA are quite different from college and high school ball, and thus the jump stop rules are different. Just wanting to make that clear...

Not really that different at all. They are just explained in more detail in the NBA rule book so there is no ambiguity unlike that to the college and high school rule book. The only difference that I have read is the "skip" rule where when you hop off your left leg, you can't skip through and land on that same leg individually.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Not really that different at all. They are just explained in more detail in the NBA rule book so there is no ambiguity unlike that to the college and high school rule book. The only difference that I have read is the "skip" rule where when you hop off your left leg, you can't skip through and land on that same leg individually.

As far as the everyday playing and reffing, everyone needs to know that the rules are enough different that they shouldn't use what's done on TV as a guide to how to play or call. Please, please, please don't encourage people to think there's any similarity. Life is a lot simpler for us lowly peons if y'all big-timers will please not talk about NBA rules as being anywhere near the same.


Woo--hoo, post #8000.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

As far as the everyday playing and reffing, everyone needs to know that the rules are enough different that they shouldn't use what's done on TV as a guide to how to play or call. Please, please, please don't encourage people to think there's any similarity. Life is a lot simpler for us lowly peons if y'all big-timers will please not talk about NBA rules as being anywhere near the same.


Woo--hoo, post #8000.

I can't help it if they are, because they are. There are some similarities in pro rules to college rules and even high school rules, just like there are differences. If this was the case then we should start a seperate forum for each distinct level of basketball.

In my reading of all the rule book sets, high school through pro, the travel rule is the same and should be refereed as such.

Congrats on the 8,000th post. I am glad to have been a part of it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

In my reading of all the rule book sets, high school through pro, the travel rule is the same and should be refereed as such.

That is the way I understand it. Actually with all the sports I work, basketball has fewer differences between all the levels. We sometime blow out of proportion what is different when the basics are practically the same. And the differences that are present are obvious things like the 3 point line.

Peace

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

In my reading of all the rule book sets, high school through pro, the travel rule is the same and should be refereed as such.

The NFHS and NCAA travel rules are almost identical. But there are differences with the NBA rule. In the NBA, you are allowed to pivot at the end of a "two-count". This allows a player to use either foot as the pivot foot (with some restrictions) after landing on one foot followed by the other. In high school and college, only the first foot may be used as the pivot in that situation. Also, the NBA's two-count allows a player to pivot after completing a legal jump stop (jump off one foot and land on two feet simultaneously). In NCAA and NFHS, there is no pivot foot after completing a legal jump stop.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

The NFHS and NCAA travel rules are almost identical. But there are differences with the NBA rule. In the NBA, you are allowed to pivot at the end of a "two-count". This allows a player to use either foot as the pivot foot (with some restrictions) after landing on one foot followed by the other. In high school and college, only the first foot may be used as the pivot in that situation. Also, the NBA's two-count allows a player to pivot after completing a legal jump stop (jump off one foot and land on two feet simultaneously). In NCAA and NFHS, there is no pivot foot after completing a legal jump stop.

I open a window, do some other stuff, finish my reply and post it only to see that Scrapper stole the show.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

The NFHS and NCAA travel rules are almost identical. But there are differences with the NBA rule.

The NBA has a travel rule??!!??!!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

In my reading of all the rule book sets, high school through pro, the travel rule is the same and should be refereed as such.

There are specific moves in that are legal under NBA rules that are illegal under NCAA and NFHS.

In NCAA and NFHS, the first foot down is automatically the pivot foot when the other foot touches the floor.

In the NBA, the first foot down may or may not be the pivot foot depending on where the 2nd foot touches....2nd in front of the first, the first is the pivot. The 2nd not in front of the first, either may be the pivot.

The NBA rule:

b. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may use a two-count rhythm in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball.
The first count occurs:
(1) As he receives the ball, if either foot is touching the floor at the time he receives it.
(2) As the foot touches the floor, or as both feet touch the floor simultane- ously after he receives the ball, if both feet are off the floor when he receives it.
The second occurs:
(1) After the count of one when either foot touches the floor, or both feet touch the floor simultaneously.
c. A player who comes to a stop on the count of one may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.
d. A player who comes to a stop on the count of two, with one foot in advance of the other, may pivot using only the rear foot as the pivot foot.
e. A player who comes to a stop on the count of two, with neither foot in advance of the other, may use either foot as the pivot foot.

The interesting elements are highlighted.

In (d), the same NCAA/NFHS player can only pivot on the first foot down, they don't have a choice.

In (e), an NBA player may, after completing a jump stop, still pivot where the same move in the NCAA or NFHS is a travel.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

There are specific moves in that are legal under NBA rules that are illegal under NCAA and NFHS.

In NCAA and NFHS, the first foot down is automatically the pivot foot when the other foot touches the floor.

In the NBA, the first foot down may or may not be the pivot foot depending on where the 2nd foot touches....2nd in front of the first, the first is the pivot. The 2nd not in front of the first, either may be the pivot.

The NBA rule:

b. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may use a two-count rhythm in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball.
The first count occurs:
(1) As he receives the ball, if either foot is touching the floor at the time he receives it.
(2) As the foot touches the floor, or as both feet touch the floor simultane- ously after he receives the ball, if both feet are off the floor when he receives it.
The second occurs:
(1) After the count of one when either foot touches the floor, or both feet touch the floor simultaneously.
c. A player who comes to a stop on the count of one may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.
d. A player who comes to a stop on the count of two, with one foot in advance of the other, may pivot using only the rear foot as the pivot foot.
e. A player who comes to a stop on the count of two, with neither foot in advance of the other, may use either foot as the pivot foot.

The interesting elements are highlighted.

In (d), the same NCAA/NFHS player can only pivot on the first foot down, they don't have a choice.

In (e), an NBA player may, after completing a jump stop, still pivot where the same move in the NCAA or NFHS is a travel.

Don't worry neither you or scrapper stole the show by any means.

You're C, D, and E are not in the NBA rule book. The rule book reads verbatim:

The first count occurs:
(1) As he receives the ball, if either foot is touching the floor at the time he receives it.
(2) As the foot touches the floor, or as both feet touch the floor simultaneously after he receives the ball, if both feet are off the floor when he receives it.

The second count occurs:
(1) After the count of one when either foot touches the floor, or both feet touches the floor simultaneously.

A player who comes to a stop on the count of one when both feet are on the floor or touch the floor simultaneously, may pivot using either foot as his pivot. If he alights with both feet he must release the ball before either foot touches the floor.

A player who has one foot on the floor or lands with one foot first to the floor, may only pivot with that foot. Once that foot is lifted from the floor it may not return until the ball is released.

A player who jumps off one foot on the count of one may land with both feet simultaneously for count two. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either returns to the floor.

That is from the '06-'07 rule book.

It sounds to me alot like the high school and college rule book, but in more detail.

In my interpretation of the high school and college rule book you can still have a pivot on a jump stop it just depends on when you gather the ball. If you gather it while one foot is on the ground then you have to land with both simultaneously and you have no pivot. If you gather in mid-air, then you can land simultaneously and have a pivot or you can land with one foot followed by the other because, while you haven't gathered until you were in the air, you have not established a pivot foot.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Woo--hoo, post #8000.

Juulie - take a cookie out of petty cash.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

take a cookie out of petty cash

Don't you mean "cache?"

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Don't you mean "cache?"

No - I meant PETTY CASH!!!