Inadv. Whistle Question

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by tmp44

Team A is shooting a one-and-one FT. AP Arrow belongs to A. First shot hits the back of the rim and bounces high. A1 and B1 both tap the ball simultaneously trying to knock the ball into the backcourt for their team. Ball bounces once close to the division line. After the bounce, A2 jumps from the backcourt, catches the ball, and lands in the frontcourt.

2) The clinician on the game was of the opinion that Team A should have received the ball not because of the AP, but because team control started the moment A2 caught the ball, followed by the inadvertant whistle -- POI gives the ball to A. Thoughts?

The clinician was right. A2 established player and team control when he caught the ball, as per NFHS rule 4-12-1&2. A2 had backcourt status when he caught the ball as per NFHS rule 4-35-3. There is no backcourt violation as per NFHS case book play 4.12.2. An inadvertent whistle is now covered under NFHS rule 4-36-1. Team A gets the ball as per NFHS rule 4-36-2(a).

Simple call.

[Nevadaref]

JR, What do you have in the above scenario if A2 jumps from his frontcourt, catches the ball while airborne, and then lands in his backcourt?

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

JR, What do you have in the above scenario if A2 jumps from his frontcourt, catches the ball while airborne, and then lands in his backcourt?

We have covered (or tried to cover) this type of play. 9-9-3 described the back court exceptions. Throw-in, Jump ball and DEFENSIVE intercepting ball.
Ball is live. Ball has front court status and team control has not been established. Now, A2 is not a defensive player. Correct? So when A2 jumps from front court secures control of the ball he/she has front court status and has established team control. A2 violates as soon as the 1st foot touches the back court.
I thought the rules makers were going to rewrite the rules to make this play and a similar throw-in play a legal play.

[Nevadaref]

I thought that I asked for JR's opinion.

You piss off!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I thought that I asked for JR's opinion.

You piss off!

Did you really think that I'd say something different than Zooch?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Did you really think that I'd say something different than Zooch?

If you thought that it might irritate me, absolutely!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If you thought that it might irritate me, absolutely!

Well, there's that.....

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

We have covered (or tried to cover) this type of play. 9-9-3 described the back court exceptions. Throw-in, Jump ball and DEFENSIVE intercepting ball.
Ball is live. Ball has front court status and team control has not been established. Now, A2 is not a defensive player. Correct? So when A2 jumps from front court secures control of the ball he/she has front court status and has established team control. A2 violates as soon as the 1st foot touches the back court.
I thought the rules makers were going to rewrite the rules to make this play and a similar throw-in play a legal play.

That'd be a good idea, why penalize A2 for his hustle?

[Nevadaref]

Coach P,
Hit the link in post #4.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Coach P,
Hit the link in post #4.

I did. It made my head spin.

I got a BC violation BTW.

Ball had FC status
A1 caught the ball (Team control)
A1 therefore was last to touch before ball goes into BC
A1 first to touch after ball goes into BC

Not a throw-in, jump ball, or defensive steal.

Doesn't seem fair to me though, because the same thing is allowed on a throw in. A2 is allowed to land normally.

So, what if A2 was standing OOB, jumped in the air, caught the ball, then landed in bounds?

[Adam]

The question is whether the parenthetical statements are meant to be all inclusive. If they are, then the situation is a BC violation. If they are meant as examples only to show what constitutes "the team not in control," then it's not a BC violation. Personally, I lean towards letting this go.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by CoachP

I got a BC violation BTW.

Ball had FC status
A1 caught the ball (Team control)
A1 therefore was last to touch before ball goes into BC
A1 first to touch after ball goes into BC

Not a throw-in, jump ball, or defensive steal.

Are you refering to the OP? I don't think the ball had frontcourt status in that situation before A1 caught the ball. There was no team control before he caught it so there couldn't be a frontcourt or back court. Right?