Headed to UCSB for camp

[AFHusker]

TRef and W_Sohl -- What did you think of Bob Williams' (UCSB men's coach) comment about being aware that one call could cost a coach his job?

[TRef21]

I came late on Friday on missed all the passports since I was floor mentoring and talking with my evaluators. Some stuff about Bob. I think he is a real good guy. Has a lot of class and expects the most out of his players. What did he say about the topic. Did we work together??

[AFHusker]

Originally Posted by TRef21

I came late on Friday on missed all the passports since I was floor mentoring and talking with my evaluators. Some stuff about Bob. I think he is a real good guy. Has a lot of class and expects the most out of his players. What did he say about the topic. Did we work together??

No we didn't work together.

I agree that overall he seems like a good guy.

The example he used was a team making it to the Big West championship and losing because of a call late in the game thus not making it to the NCAA tourney because the conference usually only gets one team in. The losing team hadn't been to the NCAA tourney in a long time. He said that call late in the game could cost the coach his job.

With that said though, I was impressed with his statement to the players and coaches at the camp before the games started. He told them to treat the officials with respect. From the sounds of it he was pleased that the officials were T'g and ejecting if needed. One coach was ejected twice. Don't think his team will be invited back.

[TRef21]

I didn't see that game but heard what happened. All I could say that those officials in Big West working that game gave 100%. I work for the Supervisor in his DIII and JC conference. Like we hear all the time, we are human and will make a mistake. But I can see where he is coming from. If you look at, at levels of college basketball a coach can lose their job because of a call.

[AFHusker]

Originally Posted by TRef21

If you look at, at levels of college basketball a coach can lose their job because of a call.

It isn't a call that cost him his job. If he gets fired after a close game with a questionable call late in the game, he was well on his way to getting fired anyway.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by AFHusker

It isn't a call that cost him his job. If he gets fired after a close game with a questionable call late in the game, he was well on his way to getting fired anyway.

It's just another excuse from a second rate coach either looking to blame the officials for his own screw-ups or trying to gain an advantage somewhere down the road. I've heard that bullsh!t before too many times. What these kind of clowns forget is that there's two teams out there and two head coaches....not just his. Any official that thinks about whether one one of his calls could cost somebody their job or not sureasheck is in the wrong avocation. You can't referee scared.

Ol' Bob ain't the great guy that these guys think he is.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by AFHusker

TRef and W_Sohl -- What did you think of Bob Williams' (UCSB men's coach) comment about being aware that one call could cost a coach his job?

The issue that he is really talking about is an official that screws up a rule, not judgement. There is no excuse for screwing up a rule, we should know the rules and an official that screws up a rule at the end of a game HAS possibly cost a coach his/her job or bonuses. Coaches have incentive laden contracts, finish in the top half of the Big Ten, top three, win Big Ten tourney, qualify for NCAA, advance to Sweet 16, Elite 8, Final 4, Title game, Win it all. An offical that screws a rule can cost a coach 100s of thousands, if not millions, of dollars by not knowing his rules. We cn all face the fact that on occasion our judgement is going to be wrong, but as long as we are putting ourselves in the correct position to make te call and we slow ourselves down and see the whole play we will make the correct call a large majority of the time. Any official that doesn't see how our job can affect another man's job is nieve.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

Any official that doesn't see how our job can affect another man's job is nieve.

And any official that worries about it, or even thinks about it, is in the wrong business.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And any official that worries about it, or even thinks about it, is in the wrong business.

Never said I worried about it or even thought about it when I am working a game or even after a game. I'm just aware that I can affect the outcome if I do not do my part to be the best I can be.

I am not making a call in a game based on how I think it will affect another man's job. I am making the call based on the information given to me by the players involved in the play.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

Never said I worried about it or even thought about it when I am working a game or even after a game. I'm just aware that I can affect the outcome if I do not do my part to be the best I can be.

I am not making a call in a game based on how I think it will affect another man's job. I am making the call based on the information given to me by the players involved in the play.

You're doing exactly what you're supposed to be doing too. You're worried about doing your job properly. That's all that you can control. What a single coach thinks about one call in a game really is irrelevant. Coach's have got a different agenda entirely, as pointed out by good ol' Bob's statement. You could make the right call, and the coach could still lose his job because that call cost him the game. Bob kinda forgot about that.

Coach Bob's statement has nothing to do with the realities of college officiating. You will be judged on your total body of work, not one lonely call. I'm still waiting to meet the official that has never missed or blown a call.

That was my point.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You're doing exactly what you're supposed to be doing too. You're worried about doing your job properly. That's all that you can control. What a single coach thinks about one call in a game really is irrelevant. Coach's have got a different agenda entirely, as pointed out by good ol' Bob's statement. You could make the right call, and the coach could still lose his job because that call cost him the game. Bob kinda forgot about that.

Coach Bob's statement has nothing to do with the realities of college officiating. You will be judged on your total body of work, not one lonely call. I'm still waiting to meet the official that has never missed or blown a call.

That was my point.

I'm here...what ya want to know

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You're doing exactly what you're supposed to be doing too. You're worried about doing your job properly. That's all that you can control. What a single coach thinks about one call in a game really is irrelevant. Coach's have got a different agenda entirely, as pointed out by good ol' Bob's statement. You could make the right call, and the coach could still lose his job because that call cost him the game. Bob kinda forgot about that.

Coach Bob's statement has nothing to do with the realities of college officiating. You will be judged on your total body of work, not one lonely call. I'm still waiting to meet the official that has never missed or blown a call.

That was my point.

I agree. That "one crappy call" didnt' cost the coach his / her job. The crappy play by his / her team for the first 39 minutes of this game and the 40 previous games cost the coach his / her job.

[AFHusker]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I agree. That "one crappy call" didnt' cost the coach his / her job. The crappy play by his / her team for the first 39 minutes of this game and the 40 previous games cost the coach his / her job.

A funny thing about his comment -- The UCSB players were the scorekeepers for the games. Towards the end of one of the games I was watching, one of the coaches was upset about a call or no call. The player keeping score said to me, yeah, like that's what cost your team the game, not the free throws your players just missed. I almost told him he should tell his coach that.

[AFHusker]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

The issue that he is really talking about is an official that screws up a rule, not judgement. There is no excuse for screwing up a rule, we should know the rules and an official that screws up a rule at the end of a game HAS possibly cost a coach his/her job or bonuses.

I guess I heard it a little different or took it differently than you did.