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[crew]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter
College Intramurals. I think the quality of play and sportsmanship is even worse than some rec ball.

college intramurals is a great place to work on new mechanics(pointing out of bounds signal, instead of hand up then point-knowing bonus situations-and eliminating bad habits). though it is hard to work on giving fewer techs (from my exp) at those games. frat teams are just plain dicks.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by crew

college intramurals is a great place to work on new mechanics(pointing out of bounds signal, instead of hand up then point-knowing bonus situations-and eliminating bad habits). though it is hard to work on giving fewer techs (from my exp) at those games. frat teams are just plain dicks.

I tend to work for the opposite on OOB's, because that's the NF mechanic. I don't think I'll quite pull a Ted Valentine and be called up to D-I next year (although I did have a dream that I was - a good sign, perhaps? )

I know what you mean about frat teams (although they're worse in soccer). My worst team this year was the one where I gave the 3 T's resulting in ejection. Team name? Vas Deferens.

[BktBallRef]

Mark, if you plan to work high school basketball, do not develop the habit of pointing on an OOB play without first raising your hand and stopping the clock. This is a college mechanic and has no place in the high school game.

[crew]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
Mark, if you plan to work high school basketball, do not develop the habit of pointing on an OOB play without first raising your hand and stopping the clock. This is a college mechanic and has no place in the high school game.

how should someone practice for the next level if he doesnt practice the mechanic. highschool games(florida) are the best place acquire the skills for the next level. if being the best highschool ref. is your goal, then dont practice the mechanic. as it appears mark d. has ambitions above the highschool level bktballref.

[BigDave]

Originally posted by crew

how should someone practice for the next level if he doesnt practice the mechanic. highschool games(florida) are the best place acquire the skills for the next level. if being the best highschool ref. is your goal, then dont practice the mechanic. as it appears mark d. has ambitions above the highschool level bktballref.

An official should use the mechanic based on the level they are officiating. If Mark is only doing intramurals and has yet to work a HS game, why should he be polishing his college mechanics? This attitude (showboating some call it) will get you nowhere with your peers and those that are evaluating you at the HS level. Mark, perfect one level before worrying about another.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by crew
how should someone practice for the next level if he doesnt practice the mechanic. highschool games(florida) are the best place acquire the skills for the next level. if being the best highschool ref. is your goal, then dont practice the mechanic. as it appears mark d. has ambitions above the highschool level bktballref.

High school games are not practice for college. Officials who use college mechanics in high school games are looked down upon by every supervisor that I know and also by our state deputy director, who is a college official. Practice college mechanics at camps and in summer leagues. Once again, they have no place in the high school game.

It doesn't take practice to not raise your hand.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by hooters
1. what age are you guys?
2. how long have you officiated?
3. what is your highest level basketball game?

1. 29
2. 6 years
3. Div. 3, NAIA and JUCO College--1st Year. But I have had a full varsity HS schedule for 5 years (including this year).

[Spaman_29]

1. 27
2. 11 Years
3. Junior College

Hey just a quick comment on those people who are so critical of not using the college mechanics. They are usually the ones who either can't get hired onto the college level or were fired because they couldn't handle it. Do your best to call at the level you are on. Rarely do I raise my hand on an oob play in a high school game. I usually just point the way we are going. And for those who say, "oh my!" get real! The game is changing get on the band wagon or get off. Because it will soon be changed in high school.

[Tim Roden]

1. 37
2. 5
3. HS Varsity
Woodland Park, CO 8500 ft. Beats third floor!

[Edited by Tim Roden on Jan 3rd, 2002 at 11:33 PM]

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Spaman_29
Hey just a quick comment on those people who are so critical of not using the college mechanics. They are usually the ones who either can't get hired onto the college level or were fired because they couldn't handle it. Do your best to call at the level you are on. Rarely do I raise my hand on an oob play in a high school game. I usually just point the way we are going. And for those who say, "oh my!" get real! The game is changing get on the band wagon or get off. Because it will soon be changed in high school.

Well, usually doesn't apply here. I've never tried to get hired at the college level, so it's impossible for me to have been fired from the college level. Had I started officiating at an earlier age, it might have been something I would have pursued. At this stage in my life, I simply don't have time or the job for it.

As for the mechanic being changed at the HS level, if they change it, then it should be used. Until then, the required mechanics should be used. So, get on the band wagon or get off.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by Spaman_29
1. 27
2. 11 Years
3. Junior College

Hey just a quick comment on those people who are so critical of not using the college mechanics. They are usually the ones who either can't get hired onto the college level or were fired because they couldn't handle it. Do your best to call at the level you are on. Rarely do I raise my hand on an oob play in a high school game. I usually just point the way we are going. And for those who say, "oh my!" get real! The game is changing get on the band wagon or get off. Because it will soon be changed in high school.

I am so sick of that bullcrap. If it was going to change, it would have already. If you are doing a HS game, do HS mechanics or do not do the game. It is not changing like you think it is. I understand that some things have more to do with style, but do not tell me that crap that things are changing.

I had a D1 Women's official tell me that the Lead signaling 3 point shots was coming to the HS level. Well that is interesting, they already do what the Men's College does, so why is the Women's game so special that they will change to that? Put your ego aside and act like you want to be at the level that you are officiating. I do both HS and College, believe me it is not that difficult to adjust to the level that you are at. If I can do it, so can you.

Peace

[BigDave]

Originally posted by Spaman_29
1. 27
2. 11 Years
3. Junior College

Hey just a quick comment on those people who are so critical of not using the college mechanics. They are usually the ones who either can't get hired onto the college level or were fired because they couldn't handle it. Do your best to call at the level you are on. Rarely do I raise my hand on an oob play in a high school game. I usually just point the way we are going. And for those who say, "oh my!" get real! The game is changing get on the band wagon or get off. Because it will soon be changed in high school.

Pretty bold generalization there, big guy. Use the mechanic that is applicable to the level you are officiating at. The officiating profession doesn't have much room for egos like yours.

[Mark Padgett]

I never use college mechanics. If they haven't graduated yet, they can't work on my car!

[zebraman]

Originally posted by Spaman_29

Hey just a quick comment on those people who are so critical of not using the college mechanics. They are usually the ones who either can't get hired onto the college level or were fired because they couldn't handle it.
Do your best to call at the level you are on. Rarely do I raise my hand on an oob play in a high school game. I usually just point the way we are going. And for those who say, "oh my!" get real! The game is changing get on the band wagon or get off. Because it will soon be changed in high school.

Yikes...I've never had much fun working with "my way or highway partners." Use college mechanics during high school games around here and you'll never get a playoff game. When in Rome, do as the Romans.

Z

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
I never use college mechanics. If they haven't graduated yet, they can't work on my car!

What? Once again, Mark Padgett just has to chime in with something crazy .

I never thought that working on using HS/College mechanics would cause such a ruckus. What I've always been taught is that to move up to the next level, you should show that you're proficient in the level you currently work. I'm trying to work on HS mechanics, because I will definately have those games before I get NCAA games.