Evaluation of camp observer

[LarryS]

Hey Dan Ref...Get off your flippin high horse.

First...I never said I would complain to the people running the camp. I just said that if someone felt that adamantly about something they should not always be expected to sit there and take it. I honestly believe that, under the correct circumstances, your honest opinion can be heard...especially if it is voiced in an survey at the end of camp.

Second...No, I would not expect my boss to "fire me on the spot" if someone complained. I have worked in the past in positions where I interacted with the customer and ran customer service departments. Angry customers complain...I hope you understand that basic fact. One complaint...nothing...a few complaints...I take notice, especially if they relate to the same individual. Lots of complaints...now I have an issue to address.

Third...I have been ripped at a camp in front of others...it was however a local camp. The evaluator, who didn't know any of us or our experience, dressed us each down for missing rotations and being out of position. It was my second time as part of a 3-official crew...for one of my partners it was his 4th...the seasoned vet in the crew had a whopping 8 games under his belt. I stood there a took it...but discounted everything he said during our session. He worked a lot of D1...but he was an arse hole and had trouble relating to the campers (or so I was told by two others who "checked up" on us after he was finished). Why was he there...so the camp could advertise they had officials from X conference working as evaluators.

Fourth...Great, you have passion for officiating. I do as well, though obviously not at your level. I am happy for you. I assume you want to advance as far as possible. I wish you success and hope you attain your goal..and I am not being sarcastic. For someone like you, the advice to keep quiet is probably best.

Just because someone has reached the highest level and is trusted by others does not mean he is a great teacher. Some very intelligent people can't teach. Some very talented people cannot communicate well. That does not mean they are not very good at what they do. It simply means they suck at teaching.

I plan on going to bigger and better camps next year where the odds of encountering "passionate and dedicated coaches and players" are good (need to completly recover from the fractured vertibrae suffered in my car accident). If they want to rip me publically they can...won't impact my "officiating career" in the least as I will not be attending with the hope of getting hired...just the hope of getting better.

That probably upsets and disappionts you...

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by LarryS

Hey Dan Ref...Get off your flippin high horse...

snipped a lot of words....

I don't own a horse Larry, but if I did I'm sure neither of us would disappointed by anything you did, do, or plan on doing.

Thanks for caring though.

Gotta go find a squirrel, but you go ahead and have yourself a good life.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

I don't own a horse Larry,

Then why are you always hearing "and the horse you rode in on...."?

Just wondering, is all.....

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Then why are you always hearing "and the horse you rode in on...."?

Just wondering, is all.....

That's why I got rid of the damn thing.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

That's why I got rid of the damn thing.

And got a dog that's bigger?

Helluva plan.....

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And got a dog that's bigger?

Helluva plan.....

He was about the size of my now dead cat when I got him.

Who knew?

(He's still a big pussy btw...that's why I named him as I did)

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

(He's still a big pussy btw...that's why I named him as I did)

God'll get you for that......

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by LarryS

Third...I have been ripped at a camp in front of others...it was however a local camp. The evaluator, who didn't know any of us or our experience, dressed us each down for missing rotations and being out of position. It was my second time as part of a 3-official crew...for one of my partners it was his 4th...the seasoned vet in the crew had a whopping 8 games under his belt. I stood there a took it...but discounted everything he said during our session. He worked a lot of D1...but he was an arse hole and had trouble relating to the campers (or so I was told by two others who "checked up" on us after he was finished). Why was he there...so the camp could advertise they had officials from X conference working as evaluators.

So an evaluator gets on you and that is a problem? Welcome to the real world of camps. That happens all the time. It happened to me last summer and I got over it. He was one guy and he could not understand a mechanic I was using. I stood there, nodded my head and moved on. I did not rip him to other campers and worked my next game. BTW, all the evaluators were D1 officials at this camp.

Also what did the guy do in the OP anyway? He stepped in on a summer game where it is common for coaches and even fans to sometimes approach the camp directors about the officials or situations involving the situation. Not only are situations kind of common for some interaction with an evaluator and a coach, I have seen evaluators have very heated words with coaches. What did this guy do that we would have to complain about? I did not realize these games have the same protocol as a regular season game?

Peace

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So an evaluator gets on you and that is a problem? Welcome to the real world of camps. That happens all the time.

As Rut says this situation is not unique - I made a great call early in a game at camp this year and then blew a bang - bang back court violation a minute later that nobody in the gym but the evaluator and myself realized I missed - all we talked about was that call for ten minutes after the game and why I missed it.
Welcome to camp!

If you want to get better you go to camps to learn - it is just like any other school - you take something away from every class you go to - good or bad -
the original OP when he stops and thinks about it - he may have learned that some day when he is in a similar situation that he didn't like being trated that way so he will not do it to others.

Officiating is life - you learn things in officiating that you can use in your every day life with others and you learn things in life that you can apply to officiating. All of the things you learn will not be fun and joyful experiences - open your mind and find away to take something away from the experience that you can use.

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Officiating is life - you learn things in officiating that you can use in your every day life with others and you learn things in life that you can apply to officiating. All of the things you learn will not be fun and joyful experiences - open your mind and find away to take something away from the experience that you can use.

I like really like how you worded that... is that your material?

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

I like really like how you worded that... is that your material?

My very own feel free to use

Make checks payable too .................

Hahaahha
So when using the quote, it should read as follows:


Officiating is life - you learn things in officiating that you can use in your every day life with others and you learn things in life that you can apply to officiating. All of the things you learn will not be fun and joyful experiences - open your mind and find away to take something away from the experience that you can use.

- OHBBREF

[rockyroad]

ANY time you go to a camp - whether you know the clinicians or not - you should realize that there will be different personalities there, and some of them will be calm, rational people (like our own beloved Jurassic ), and some will be yellers and screamers (like our own M&m Guy )...if you can't handle those types of people, don't go to a camp...

I agree with the clinicians having vastly different personalities. Recently I attended my first ever camp & some clinicians were focused more on campers appearance than the calls they missed, others were more focused on position rather than the quality of calls, some were even focused on the way we ran.

After day 1, I figured out how to be as successful as possible with each clinician. I showed up to my assigned court two games prior to my game & went in on the huddles to see what exactly they were/weren't looking for. Then I made sure I did what was expected of me for that particular clinician.

For the record, 80% of my games were with D1 officials, so when we huddled up guess who received the majority of the criticism???? I just shook my head yes, smiled & uttered the phrases "yes sir, thank you sir & I'll work on it sir" over & over again. It was a very humbling experience to say the least!! I start my second camp tonight & can't wait to hear how everything I learned doesn't apply here

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

I agree with the clinicians having vastly different personalities. Recently I attended my first ever camp &

Great!!!

Originally Posted by Ch1town

some clinicians were focused more on campers appearance than the calls they missed,

Why, you may ask. Because it matters. We're salespeople out there. It doesn't matter if you got the call right if no one believes you. How you look has a huge role on your believability....particulary if you're an unknown to the coaches/players. Do you appear confident and capable? Do you appear in sufficient shape to keep up? Do you appear like you care? Do you look like you pay attention to detalis? Do you appear focused and ready? If you walk into the gym with a negative first impression, you may have hard time recovering credibility even if your calls are great.

If you've been around for 15-20 years and all the coaches know you, appearance doesn't matter nearly as much....if at all. They made their judgement of you years ago.

If you're going to camp, you're likely trying to move up....to levels where you'll encounter new coaches and new players. The clinician is teaching one of the facets of moving up.

Originally Posted by Ch1town

others were more focused on position rather than the quality of calls,

Again, you may ask why?

They're trying to give the campers the tools to make a quality call. Quality calls will not come with reliability from the wrong positions. From the wrong position, it will often turn into a guess, rather than a quality call....with a much higher probability of being wrong (or at least a poor choice of calls). So, the first thing to do is get the official in the correct spot to be able to see the play. Only then can you tell if a poor quality call is from poor judgement or from being out of position.

Originally Posted by Ch1town

some were even focused on the way we ran.

Again, believability. If you appear to be struggling to get down the floor, how believable will you be? If you appear to get down the floor with ease, what do you think will be the difference? If you appear to be walking down the floor versus trotting, even if your speed is the same, you make be perceived as lazy or not interested.