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Old Fri Dec 19, 2003, 11:49am
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... not first to receive, but first to give. A guy called and asked me to come to the JV game before my varsity, and give him an eval. In our association, the first three or four years, you are required to get 10 of them, from the varsity officials.

Okay, so that was a little brag. But not the main reason I posted. What I want to ask is, what should I look for, what should I say, and what should I avoid? I've got my own experiences of being evaluated to look back on (and forward to!) but want the experienced opinions of y'all to throw into the mix.
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Old Fri Dec 19, 2003, 12:06pm
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The first thing that you do is ask him for his test score!

(just kidding!)

Some real things that can be looked at:

Appearance - uniform neat, shoes clean, etc.

Signals - arm straight, clear signals, good visible count, foul reporting is clear.

Movement on the court - is he moving to get good looks when necessary? going across the lane as lead when appropriate?

Court presence - does he appear confident and in control? does he looked relaxed on the court and not tense? strong whistle? Good communication and teamwork with partner?

Depending on how new the guy is, I wouldn't bombard him with all of this stuff at once. Maybe a few things that he can work on at a time.
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Old Fri Dec 19, 2003, 12:12pm
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If he's wearing a belt, he gets an automatic zero. :-)

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Old Fri Dec 19, 2003, 12:54pm
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If he's wearing a belt, he gets an automatic zero. :-)

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Doesn't this depend on your association? (insert winking smilie here)
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Old Fri Dec 19, 2003, 01:21pm
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Rainmaker, if you email me your fax #, I will fax a form that I use. It will be very helpful and cover all areas.
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Old Fri Dec 19, 2003, 07:12pm
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The biggest problem we have on evaluations is the myth stuff.

If there is something they did wrong make sure you can back it up. Either by Fed book, or by association. There is nothing that make me more upset on a eval is when the evaluator tells the official something wrong.

Dont nit pick too bad especially if it is a new guy....
If they are a newer official focus on the things that are important. The more senior the guy...
Its also easier to nitpick senior guys. I had a friend of mine have me sit in the stands one night, and wanted me to nitpick eveything he did, After the game we talked for quite a while. Did not count for anything, but it gives you something to think about.

If you dont know why they did something, write it down but clarify at the end. There may be something you missed or did not here.


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I also tend to look at mechanics, control, body language, man-management skills, appearance, teamwork, + the degree of difficulty of the game.
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... not first to receive, but first to give. A guy called and asked me to come to the JV game before my varsity, and give him an eval. In our association, the first three or four years, you are required to get 10 of them, from the varsity officials.

Okay, so that was a little brag. But not the main reason I posted. What I want to ask is, what should I look for, what should I say, and what should I avoid? I've got my own experiences of being evaluated to look back on (and forward to!) but want the experienced opinions of y'all to throw into the mix.
Find good things to discuss along with the bad.
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Old Sun Dec 21, 2003, 05:55pm
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Find good things to discuss along with the bad. [/B]
best suggestion! With each thing he needs to correct or work on, tell him something he did well.
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Juulie - as you know, I use a point system to eval officials.

They get one point for each technical they call, double points if they are on a coach or asst. coach.

One point for each Davism.

One point for spilling juice or water on the scorebook.

One point for staring at a coach's pants and double points for puking on his shoes.

Subtract one point for every "over the back" or "reaching" call.

Subtract one point for every time they admit to a coach they "might have blown one".

Subtract one point for not tossing the coach the first time "call it both ways" is heard.

Finally - they get a ten point bonus for bringing me a bribe.

Hope this helps.
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I always give them something bad or something to work on, then I always find something they do well or praise them on that.

But if there is something I see and I do not understand, I might ask, "what did you see on the play at 4:21 in the second quarter?"

It gives them an opportunity to explain what they called and explain their reasoning. Then you use it as a teaching point, if you did not agree with the call or the mechanic.

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Make sure you subtract points every time they say "on the floor." Make sure you avoid using sentences in the written evaluation.

Happy to help.

Wait, wrong thread.
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Make sure you subtract points every time they say "on the floor." Make sure you avoid using sentences in the written evaluation.

Happy to help.

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Old Mon Dec 22, 2003, 09:51am
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Since basketball is 90 percent judgement, I usually grade on game administration, position on the court, primary and secondary area of coverage, and eye contact. You know the old saying, " It better to be a ref with ten years experience, then to be a ref with ten one experiencees."
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Old Tue Dec 23, 2003, 09:55am
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Here's a link to my association's evaluation form:

http://swoa.info/files/mentoringevaluationform.pdf

Here's NASO's form also (although I know some of you don't care for NASO):

http://www.naso.org/modelevalform/index.htm


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[Edited by Mregor on Dec 23rd, 2003 at 09:02 AM]
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