Coast to Coast Referee School

[LouisianaDave]

It is a teaching camp, I went back in 2005 and they teach you some good philosophy but if your going looking to get hired you will be disappointed.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by LouisianaDave

It is a teaching camp, I went back in 2005 and they teach you some good philosophy but if your going looking to get hired you will be disappointed.

Dave not to be mean but if you said to an NBA referee that they teach good "philosophies", 99% of them would rip you a new one. The NBA referees ref according to performance standards and guidelines, they don't have "philosophies". There's no "he got hit and it didn't put him at a disadvantage, so I didn't blow" BS. If he got hit or bumped, then he got hit or bumped, hence you blow the whistle. If it's marginal or inconclusive then you leave it alone. They referee RSBQ (Rhythm, Speed, Balance, Quickness) on drives to the basket. It is part of their guidelines, it is NOT a philosophy. There is rarely any judgement calls having to be made when it comes to hands in the post game. If you have 2 hands, 2 forearms or a locked arm it is automatic. It's a straight forward guideline to referee with.

As far as the camp goes. There is only one open now and it is the one in Orlando. there will be about 13 NBA refs teaching there. If you have the funds, I would suggest going. If you want to be the best you have to learn from the best and the best will be there teaching. There will be some assignors there because of friendships with the Clinicians, but it is mainly an NBA exposure camp.

Go Go Go Go Go if you can.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

The NBA referees ref according to performance standards and guidelines, they don't have "philosophies".

But their guidelines are obviously the result of a particular philosophy that is different from the overall philosophy at the high school or college level.

There's no "he got hit and it didn't put him at a disadvantage, so I didn't blow" BS.

No, but there is "marginal contact" BS. It's stated differently, but it's the same thing -- judgment.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

But their guidelines are obviously the result of a particular philosophy that is different from the overall philosophy at the high school or college level.

No, but there is "marginal contact" BS. It's stated differently, but it's the same thing -- judgment.

Using the word philosophy means that there are many different ones, and that people can use different ones. In the pro game, it is a guideline, meaning that this is how it will be called, and if you don't call it like this you didn't get the play right. Philosophies are vague and there are too many floating around and that causes more inconsistencies in the game.

The guidelines are not under a philosophy. The committee who was working with the rules thought that this would make for better basketball, so they instituted these RULES or guidelines. When you have to call something that is stated in the rules that doesn't involve judgement, that is not a philosophy. Philosophies can make things a "should I or should I not" such as the TOWER PHILOSOPHY. When you have to start doing that alot, in takes your play calling skills down and you will get more plays wrong by doing so.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

In the pro game, it is a guideline, meaning that this is how it will be called, and if you don't call it like this you didn't get the play right.

Any relationship between the pro whack, hack, hold, travel and knock people into the 3rd row crap and real basketball is purely coincidental. The NBA officiating guidelines are set for entertainment reasons only. I've been officiating basketball for one helluva long time, and I can't tell you what a foul IS in the NBA. Anybody who can try to say that contact is called consistently in the NBA is simply full of doodoo imo. They might actually have some guidelines but I've never been able to figure them out. They're consistently inconsistent imo. And as for rules like traveling or palming, I'd like to know what the NBA guidelines for those are. They sureashell don't call them by their own rules.

The NBA.....unwatchable, except by the people who also think Pro Wrasslin' is real.

There might be dumber things that an official could do than try to use pro philosophies in the high school or college game, but I can't think of any off-hand.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

There might be dumber things that an official could do than try to use pro philosophies in the high school or college game, but I can't think of any off-hand.

You could use Old School's patented philosophies. If not worse, it would at least have to be pretty damn close.

[Larks]

Originally Posted by LouisianaDave

It is a teaching camp, I went back in 2005 and they teach you some good philosophy but if your going looking to get hired you will be disappointed.

Uh......Joe assigns several JUCO and NAIA leagues in the Ohio area. So guys in the midwest could possibly benefit.

Whats the saying....you never know who is watching?