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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

JRut: Gotcha! I will "step up" next time the opportunity presents itself instead of letting the crew crash & burn. And definately will get my head deep into the books, as I NEED to KNOW the rules in those situations like you said. I'm truly glad we are able to communicate now, because it's obvious that you have an abundance of wisdom to share with someone like myself.

So I publicly apologize for being over-sensitive with you earlier in the year.

Do not beat yourself up over this. You learned a lesson that many of us have had to learn in a much harder way. This is after all why you asked the questions you did. And you have accepted the premise of what we are trying to teach you.

BTW, I forgot about that little exchange long time ago. It really is not that big of a deal. It takes time for some to learn the basic personalities of the participants. That also applies to the older guys who have been around here when newer people come on the scene.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Do not beat yourself up over this. You learned a lesson that many of us have had to learn in a much harder way. This is after all why you asked the questions you did.

Agreed. The very reason you're working these games is to learn. Learning how to manage games is crucial, and learning to work with partners is key to managing a game. Learning when and how to try to correct a rules-error is tough, especially with a guy who comes off as a veteran.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

What does momentum have to do with this play?

The player attempted to save the ball and stay inbounds at the same time. but he/she could not do it successfully so their momentum took them OOB .

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by truerookie

The player attempted to save the ball and stay inbounds at the same time. but he/she could not do it successfully so their momentum took them OOB .

What I'm asking, though, is what difference does it make in regards to calling/not calling an OOB violation? Think it over for a bit.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by truerookie

The player attempted to save the ball and stay inbounds at the same time. but he/she could not do it successfully so their momentum took them OOB .

Yabut....what has that got to do in any way with the call?

The only information needed to make the call is the status of the player when he touches the ball---> i.e. in bounds or out-of-bounds.

[JRutledge]

I think people are trying to use the "leave the court under his/her own volition" rule into play. Not that I agree that is what took place here, but I think people are getting caught up in the fact he went out of bounds and came in and this might be a violation.

Peace

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yabut....what has that got to do in any way with the call?

The only information needed to make the call is the status of the player when he touches the ball---> i.e. in bounds or out-of-bounds.

Well, I think I know what truerookie might be trying to say, although it's probably not a situation that would happen a lot. Let's say A1 saves the ball from going OOB, but happens to flip it back behind B1. The quickest way for A1 to now get the ball is to go OOB around B1. The momentum didn't carry A1 OOB, but A1 purposely went OOB. In this case, it would be a violation on A1, and it wouldn't matter where A1 was when the ball was first saved, or recovered.

However, in most cases, A1 is falling OOB to save it, so as long as A1 has in-bounds status when the ball is saved, and has in-bounds status when the ball is recovered, it's a legal play.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think people are trying to use the "leave the court under his/her own volition" rule into play. Not that I agree that is what took place here, but I think people are getting caught up in the fact he went out of bounds and came in and this might be a violation.

Peace

Yea, what he said.

(Dang it, I need to do a refresher course on my speed-typing...)

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by truerookie

The player attempted to save the ball and stay inbounds at the same time. but he/she could not do it successfully so their momentum took them OOB .

Not a factor...but if B1 jumps OOB to save the ball how does he NOT end up OOB except by his momentum??



If he stopped mid-air and reversed direction? Now THAT would be something worth writing about.

Oh yeah...what they said...

[truerookie]

My terminology aspect is not up to par per se. Those who have pointed this out indirectly thanks.

1.JR, I understand your point on the status of the player IB v OOB.

2. M&M, what you stated in the latter part of your post was my intent about the player falling OOB.

3. Dan ref, it would be a sight to see a player stop mid-air and change direction.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by truerookie

3. Dan ref, it would be a sight to see a player stop mid-air and change direction.

It's not an uncommon occurrence. (Hmm.. I sense another "boiling cold water" diversion)

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It's not an uncommon occurrence. (Hmm.. I sense another "boiling cold water" diversion)

Let's talk rising fastballs........

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Let's talk rising fastballs........

TMI

Originally Posted by truerookie

Dan ref, it would be a sight to see a player stop mid-air and change direction.

Sorta like what Jordan did against Magics Lakers in the Finals?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It's not an uncommon occurrence.