Goaltending/BI in high school vs. college

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Old School

One thing I was sure about is the defender hit it after it hit the b/b.

Who cares? Touching the ball AFTER it hits the backboard is NOT goaltending, it's not BI...it's nothing. The reason no one at this "camp" said anything about the call is probably because it was so close - to the observers it probably looked like the ball was on it's downward flight...I can guarantee you that - if this was any kind of legitimate HS or NCAA camp - their not saying anything about the call had NOTHING to do with the fact that the ball had hit the backboard...again, that is not in the NFHS or NCAA rule sets...

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Old School

Oh, and Rainmaker, please define for me what is the difference between counting the bucket 2 or 3, or awarding the bucket, 2 or 3?

The difference between counting the bucket, or awarding points? Sorry, if you can't see the difference clearly, I'm not the one to explain it. In the past, my explanations to you haven't been very helpful.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

The difference between counting the bucket, or awarding points? Sorry, if you can't see the difference clearly, I'm not the one to explain it. In the past, my explanations to you haven't been very helpful.

This pretty much sums it all up does it not?

Peace

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Old School

Hold the phone! I got goaltending here. I have never ever seen a case where it wasn't called a score when the ball hit the backbroad first. I'm not quite sure I'm going there. I'm not splittng the difference between if the ball is still going up after it hits the b/b. Once it hits the b/b, defenders should know to leave it along.

Count the bucket!

I actually saw this happen at a recent camp. The ball hit the bottom of the b/b and was probably going to still go in. Defender blocked it, we all got GT. Clinician, coaches didn't say a word. I was Lead and I saw the ball hit the b/b but slightly below the rim, and thought to myself is that a GT? Next thing I know we got whistles coming from everywhere, count the bucket. From C and Trail, that's going to be hard to pickup if it's below the rim and it's still going up after it hit the b/b. The way they want us to make this call, the C and T has primary and at best (game speed with other things to watch) they are good to determine if it even hit the b/b and if it did, I got GT. From lead you have a better view, provided it's on your side, but you're not responsible for that call. I'm not going there and I'm not splitting hairs here. Players should know that if the ball hits the b/b, 9.99999 times out of 10 it's going to be a GT. Take your chances if you want but don't get mad if it don't go your way.

Clueless.

Originally Posted by Old School

Just a quick question, don't lose too much sleep thinking about it. You fans and coaches can clime in on this too. How many times have you seen the ball hit the b/b and later slapped by the defender and it not be called a GT? How many times?

Every time it actually occurs.

Don't lose any sleep over this, JMO. It's not likely to happen in any of your elementary rec games.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Clueless.



Every time it actually occurs.

And how often is that?

[Adam]

Watch a few D-1 games and you'll see several.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Old School

And how often is that?

What difference does it make how often it occurs??? The fact remains that touching the ball after it hits the backboard is not a violation under NFHS or NCAA rule sets. You were wrong when you said it was goaltending, and you are wrong to try to base your argument on the fact that it happens rarely therefore you will all it a violation...that makes absolutely no sense.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Old School

And how often is that?

Like I said, I saw it just last night.

I see it several times a season in games I do.

I see it in games I watch...in fact I saw a replay of the Lake Osewega/Mater Dei boys HS game on just a couple of nights ago and they had it there. The shot hit the board going up, it got touched, came down and was on the rim where an offensive player touched it. So we had a correct no-call on the block and a correct call on the offensive BI...of course the stupid guy calling the game said it was a GT before the GT on the offense...do you call HS games on TV?

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Old School

And how often is that?

Happened twice that I recall in D-I tourney games I was watching this year.

[mick]

Nuff.

[KCRef]

Originally Posted by Old School

I actually saw this happen at a recent camp. The ball hit the bottom of the b/b and was probably going to still go in. Defender blocked it, we all got GT. Clinician, coaches didn't say a word. I was Lead and I saw the ball hit the b/b but slightly below the rim, and thought to myself is that a GT? Next thing I know we got whistles coming from everywhere, count the bucket. From C and Trail, that's going to be hard to pickup if it's below the rim and it's still going up after it hit the b/b. The way they want us to make this call, the C and T has primary and at best (game speed with other things to watch) they are good to determine if it even hit the b/b and if it did, I got GT. From lead you have a better view, provided it's on your side, but you're not responsible for that call. I'm not going there and I'm not splitting hairs here. Players should know that if the ball hits the b/b, 9.99999 times out of 10 it's going to be a GT. Take your chances if you want but don't get mad if it don't go your way.

This probably happened at the NBA camp he attended last year, so maybe it was the right call afterall. He has said that he does college ball, so maybe he does the NBA too.