Coach wants a timeout...

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

With that being said, is it correct procedure to grant a pre-determined TO in the following situations?

a> after a team scores, the throw-in teams coach says give me a time out when we cross half court.

b> after a dead ball the defensive teams coach says if they score give me a time out?

Or should we have them request again?
Personally, knowing in advance on those type of situations makes managing the game easier. It’s nothing like granting a time out when coach really called the play “five out” or you didn’t hear coach requesting at all because of the crowd noise.

Have the coach reqeust the TO when s/he wants it, and that pre-requests will not be honoured. However, you can acknowledge the "heads up".

I was doing a provincial final one year when a coach yelled out "five out". When the team didn't respond, he yelled it again. I gave him the TO. After the game, the evaluator, in his own way, gave the coach sh!t for having a play called "five out".

As fro crowd noise, visual requests are valid requests. Sound doesn't interfere with light.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

honoured.

Please don't spell in metric. It gives me a headache. Thanks.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Please don't spell in metric. It gives me a headache. Thanks.

Yor welcome.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yor welcome.

Now I have a migraine.

The only upside is that I get to take more meds.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Have the coach reqeust the TO when s/he wants it, and that pre-requests will not be honoured. However, you can acknowledge the "heads up".

"Sir, I have a pre request....Everytime the closely guarded count/inbounding count gets to 4, I want a time out!"



FWIW, I've never pre requested a TO before, but I have told the official (when he is reporting a foul) that I will be requesting one if B1 misses the FT and we secure the rebound. I have also "heads up'ed" an official when we were going to run an "funny looking play". Never had a problem with either.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by CoachP

"Sir, I have a pre request....Everytime the closely guarded count/inbounding count gets to 4, I want a time out!"

Kidding aside, there's absolutely no difference between this request and the other ones. Or maybe some of the other distinguished posters think that it's solely their choice when it comes to choosing what pre-TO requests they should grant or not grant.

You can't have it all ways.

[DC_Ref12]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Or maybe some of the other distinguished posters think that it's solely their choice when it comes to choosing what pre-TO requests they should grant or not grant.

Bitter much?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DC_Ref12

Bitter much?

Say what?

I really could give a damn less what you think, to be brutally honest. We've gone over this particular play before several times here. I've also taken the time to check it out further, also before. So......how you or anybody else outside my particular area wants to call this play is completely irrelevant to me personally.

No one is saying that you have to call this play any particular way. All that is being said is that, in our opinion, your particular stance is completely and equivocably wrong, rules-wise and practice-wise. Don't let that influence you though. Hey, what difference does it really make really if no one in this thread agrees with you? Just keep calling what you want to call. Who cares? Shrug.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by DC_Ref12

Bitter much?

JR? Oh, he's bitter all the time.

But he's also right this time. You're trying to read something into the rules that isn't there. The TO is requested (by player or coach), and the official can then grant it if it is allowed by rules, or ignore it if the request is not allowable. If a coach asks me, "Can I have a TO if he makes this FT?", I tell them, "Sure, but just verify it with me when he makes it". There is no set rule as to how the request is to be made, so if I know the coach will want a TO in a particular situation, and they give me some sort of acknowledgment, (nod, wink, "T" signal with the hands, whatever), I consider that the request.

It's not much different than when a team goes on that 8-0 run, you start watching that other coach because there's probably a good chance they'll want a TO. Then, when they give you the nod, or mouth "time out", or whatever they do, you'll be ready to grant the request at that time.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Kidding aside, there's absolutely no difference between this request and the other ones. Or maybe some of the other distinguished posters think that it's solely their choice when it comes to choosing what pre-TO requests they should grant or not grant.

You can't have it all ways.

Well, there are 3 differences -

The first difference is the rule says one request gets one grant. You cannot have 1 request that gets granted at multiple times, as this coach is expecting. So if he had said I want a TO the first time the inbounds count gets to 4 we have a different story, leading to the second difference

This is a stupid tactic by the coach. The first time the count gets to 4 on an inbound play he could be up by 1 with 4 seconds left and no time outs left. Why would a coach open himself up to a T by pre-requesting a TO in this sitch?

Finally, if the coach makes this request before the game I cannot legally grant it, since timeouts cannot be granted prior to the ball becoming live.

A little more seriously, if you're standing by the bench on the second FT and he gets up to request a TO on the make just give it to him. If his guard is slowly bringing the ball up the backcourt without pressure and he gets up to request a TO when he gets to halfcourt just give it to him.

If you don't trust the coach or you're the nervous type look at him again before blowing the whistle.

If anything funny, unexpected or different happens between these pre-requests and the granting of the timeout then don't grant it.

It's really not that hard.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

So if he had said I want a TO the first time the inbounds count gets to 4 we have a different story, leading to the second difference

If you don't trust the coach or you're the nervous type look at him again before blowing the whistle.

Soooooo.....does that mean that you WILL actually grant that pre-request for a TO the first time that the inbounds or closely guarded count gets to 4?

If so....silly monkey. Shrug.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Soooooo.....does that mean that you WILL actually grant that pre-request for a TO the first time that the inbounds or closely guarded count gets to 4?

If so....silly monkey. Shrug.

Why would I do something so stupid?

[chartrusepengui]

When I was coaching in these situations I would inform the official that I would be requesting a time-out if there was a made basket so that if the ball went in they would have a heads-up and be waiting for my request. Same with the other situation. It seemed to work well

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Why would I do something so stupid?

Must have got confused.....

[Old School]

I think common sense should be the rule of order here. If I'm in a loud gym and I'm standing next to the coach in the C position, and the player shoots a 3-pt attempt and the coach says in my ear, if that shot goes in, give me a timeout. That's easy for me, that's the exact way I prefer it. Shot goes in, beep, timeout!

Trail position on the 2nd FT attempt, coachs says if it goes in give me a TO. I say full or 30, he says full. Shot goes in, beep, TO, Full!

Now, in the event the coach changes his mind, which I will say has never happened, before I go any further. Beep, inadvertent whistle, no subs can enter, put the ball back in play. If he doesn't have a TO, he just bought one. Simple, simple, simple. JR just has to be right but I don't think we need to do anything to the rulebook here.

Now I consider granting that timeout, at that point in time a good working relationship with me and the coach. He doesn't have to scream, jump up and down trying to get the TO called after the made bucket, and he knows I'm listening to him. This has always been a positive interaction point for me and yes, I prefer the TO's come to me this way. You better not grant a coach a TO if you are at 4 in a closely guarded count, and he requested it early. That's cheating! I would tell the coach no way in that situation. After a made bucket, not a big deal, grant the TO request. Life goes on.