Coach wants a timeout...

[DC_Ref12]

...after the first free throw. He tells you before the first free throw is administered (while you're reporting the foul). Do you give it to him as soon as the first free throw is finished or do you make him ask for it again?

[JRutledge]

I always tell them to request the timeout at the proper time or when they want it called. I do that so that if they change their mind it is not on me. I have yet to have a coach not understand or get mad because I did not give them a "pre-determined" timeout.

Peace

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I always tell them to request the timeout at the proper time or when they want it called. I do that so that if they change their mind it is not on me. I have yet to have a coach not understand or get mad because I did not give them a "pre-determined" timeout.

Peace

What he said.

[Junker]

I agree with the others. I'll say OK coach, but I'll look at you after the first to make sure. Then I do that and if they still want it, grant the TO.

With that being said, is it correct procedure to grant a pre-determined TO in the following situations?

a> after a team scores, the throw-in teams coach says give me a time out when we cross half court.

b> after a dead ball the defensive teams coach says if they score give me a time out?

Or should we have them request again?
Personally, knowing in advance on those type of situations makes managing the game easier. It’s nothing like granting a time out when coach really called the play “five out” or you didn’t hear coach requesting at all because of the crowd noise.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

With that being said, is it correct procedure to grant a pre-determined TO in the following situations?

a> after a team scores, the throw-in teams coach says give me a time out when we cross half court.

b> after a dead ball the defensive teams coach says if they score give me a time out?

No and no.

Rule 5-8-3.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

With that being said, is it correct procedure to grant a pre-determined TO in the following situations?

a> after a team scores, the throw-in teams coach says give me a time out when we cross half court.

b> after a dead ball the defensive teams coach says if they score give me a time out?

Or should we have them request again?
Personally, knowing in advance on those type of situations makes managing the game easier. It’s nothing like granting a time out when coach really called the play “five out” or you didn’t hear coach requesting at all because of the crowd noise.

Have them request again and, more importantly, tell them that they're going to have to request it when they actually want it.

The only thing that should be "easier" is that you now know the coach wants the TO, but you shouldn't cop out by granting it early.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

With that being said, is it correct procedure to grant a pre-determined TO in the following situations?

a> after a team scores, the throw-in teams coach says give me a time out when we cross half court.

b> after a dead ball the defensive teams coach says if they score give me a time out?

Or should we have them request again?
Personally, knowing in advance on those type of situations makes managing the game easier. It’s nothing like granting a time out when coach really called the play “five out” or you didn’t hear coach requesting at all because of the crowd noise.

Have the coach reqeust the TO when s/he wants it, and that pre-requests will not be honoured. However, you can acknowledge the "heads up".

I was doing a provincial final one year when a coach yelled out "five out". When the team didn't respond, he yelled it again. I gave him the TO. After the game, the evaluator, in his own way, gave the coach sh!t for having a play called "five out".

As fro crowd noise, visual requests are valid requests. Sound doesn't interfere with light.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DC_Ref12

...after the first free throw. He tells you before the first free throw is administered (while you're reporting the foul). Do you give it to him as soon as the first free throw is finished or do you make him ask for it again?

As the others have said, you simply follow the rules. You grant a TO only when it's legally requested. It's covered in NFHS rule 5-8-3.

[DC_Ref12]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

As the others have said, you simply follow the rules. You grant a TO only when it's legally requested. It's covered in NFHS rule 5-8-3.

The rule does not specify that a coach may not request a timeout for a future occurence. It only says specifies when an official may grant a timeout.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DC_Ref12

The rule does not specify that a coach may not request a timeout for a future occurence. It only says specifies when an official may grant a timeout.

Yup, it sureasheck does tell you when to grant a legal request for a TO. That's exactly why you can't grant pre-requests. It ain't specified in the rule as being one of the only occasions during which TO requests may be granted.

[DC_Ref12]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yup, it sureasheck does tell you when to grant a legal request for a TO. That's exactly why you can't grant pre-requests. It ain't specified in the rule as being one of the only occasions during which TO requests may be granted.

JR, the rule book gives NO guidelines on the requesting of a timeout. None. Only the granting of a timeout.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by DC_Ref12

JR, the rule book gives NO guidelines on the requesting of a timeout. None. Only the granting of a timeout.

Take another look at 5-8-3. They request, we grant, assuming the timing of both is proper. There is no provision for a "delay" between asking and receiving.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by DC_Ref12

JR, the rule book gives NO guidelines on the requesting of a timeout. None. Only the granting of a timeout.

Say what?

What's your point? That's exactly what we've been discussing.....whether to grant a TO request or not. They can request a TO during the pre-game warm-up also, but we've also got a rule that says they ain't gonna get that request granted either. Rule 5-8-3 lists the ONLY times that you can grant a TO request. If you grant one at any other time, you've screwed up.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by DC_Ref12

...after the first free throw. He tells you before the first free throw is administered (while you're reporting the foul). Do you give it to him as soon as the first free throw is finished or do you make him ask for it again?

My policy is to grant timeouts when they are legally requested, and only then. So yes, tell him he needs to reqeust the timeout at the appropriate time, but thank him for the "heads up" and that you will look to him after shot #1.

There are many cases in which a coach could tell you he wants a TO at _________. (fill in the blank). IMHO, it's best to not grant all requests for a time into the future, because then you have less to worry about, and are backed up by using the rule book. You are not there to coach - you are there to referee. A coach's job is to request a TO when he wants one.