Coach wants a timeout...

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Because:
1) he doesn't know the rules.
2) he doesn't own a rulebook.
3) he makes up his own rules.

Whatever! Feel better now?

[Old School]

Originally Posted by sseltser

Why aren't you going to allow subs (assuming NFHS)?

Assuming HS (and for that matter NCAA too), and less than a minute to play in a close game. Any request for a TO and you put air in the whistle is a TO period. You don't want to give a team an advantage with an inadvertent whistle, allowing subs to come in when the clock should have never stopped. NFHS has a problem in this area and the clock not stopping after a made basket with less than a minute to play. Now here's where we need a rule change. We are taught in NFHS that if a coach doesn't have anymore TO's, to ignore the TO request or any attempts to try and stop the clock with 5 or less seconds remaining, particularly after a made basket. You don't want to have an inadvertent whistle here.

Now here's a good one for you. 5 seconds remaining in the game, NFHS, team A down by 1 after just scoring. Team A coach requests TO that he doesn't have. You grant TO stopping the clock with 4 seconds left. Access TF to Team A. Where is the ball inbounded after the F/T's from the TF? Does the team still have inbound priviledges if from the baseline?

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Old School

Assuming HS (and for that matter NCAA too), and less than a minute to play in a close game. Any request for a TO and you put air in the whistle is a TO period.

I think I know the answery, but can you give a RULE reference as to why you'd shrug this off with more than 60 seconds remaining, but assess the TO with fewer than 60 on the clock?

We are taught in NFHS that if a coach doesn't have anymore TO's, to ignore the TO request or any attempts to try and stop the clock with 5 or less seconds remaining, particularly after a made basket.

WHAT???? If you owned a rulebook, I might think you were confusing this with the casebook play that states that violations of the throw-in boundary plane by the defense, which would result in the team's warning for the game, are to be ignored with 5 or fewer seconds in a period and the clock running. NOWHERE in the rulebook are you allowed the liberty to ignore a TO request simply because the team has none left - this isn't football.

Now here's a good one for you. 5 seconds remaining in the game, NFHS, team A down by 1 after just scoring. Team A coach requests TO that he doesn't have. You grant TO stopping the clock with 4 seconds left. Access TF to Team A. Where is the ball inbounded after the F/T's from the TF? Does the team still have inbound priviledges if from the baseline?

First off, I'm going to assess the technical foul to team A. Team B will have two shots, then B will recieve the ball for the throw-in at halfcourt - same as for any other technical foul.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

We are taught in NFHS that if a coach doesn't have anymore TO's, to ignore the TO request or any attempts to try and stop the clock with 5 or less seconds remaining, particularly after a made basket. You don't want to have an inadvertent whistle here.

Sigh, it never stops......

As usual, you are completely wrong, rules-wise.

We are not taught that in NFHS. Or NCAA either We are not taught that because it goes completely against what is already in the freaking rule book. If a coach requests a TO while his team has player control or the ball is dead, you grant the damn request. It doesn't matter when this happens during any period, including the last 5 seconds.

Again, if you don't own rule books or understand the rules, you shouldn't be making comments on the rules.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Again, if you don't own rule books or understand the rules, you shouldn't be making comments on the rules.

Relax, it's just a comment, not the end of the world.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

First off, I'm going to assess the technical foul to team A. Team B will have two shots, then B will recieve the ball for the throw-in at halfcourt - same as for any other technical foul.

Good for NFHS, I was hoping for some of the HS only guys to take a crack at it. Now for you, what about NCAA? Where do you inbound the ball? And again, do you retain inbound priviledges?

I agree, you probadly shouldn't ignore the TO request even if you are sure the team doesn't have it. The point is don't have an inadvertent whistle with 5 or less seconds left in a NFHS game, espeically if it's close.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

First off, I'm going to assess the technical foul to team A. Team B will have two shots, then B will recieve the ball for the throw-in at halfcourt - same as for any other technical foul.

Since we are being super technical here, this statement is incorrect. If you read in the book you will see that not all technicals fouls are inbounded at half court.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Old School

Since we are being super technical here, this statement is incorrect. If you read in the book you will see that not all technicals fouls are inbounded at half court.

Hate to break it to you, all HS single Ts go to half court. This is not a double foul so that would not count. I know you are trying to be clever, but it did not work.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Old School

Since we are being super technical here, this statement is incorrect. If you read in the book you will see that not all technicals fouls are inbounded at half court.

If we're being super technical (nice pun), then you're correct. I'm just not sure you know why you're correct.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

1) And again, do you retain inbound priviledges?

I agree, you probably shouldn't ignore the TO request even if you are sure the team doesn't have it.

Whatinthehell "inbound privileges" are you talking about?

2)"Probably"? Don't think so, JMO. There's no "probably" involved. You follow the damn rules. Of course, you do have to know the rules before you can follow them.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Old School

Good for NFHS, I was hoping for some of the HS only guys to take a crack at it. Now for you, what about NCAA? Where do you inbound the ball? And again, do you retain inbound priviledges?

Men's - 2 shots for B, B retains the ball at the POI and can run the endline.

Women's - 2 shots for B, B has posession awarded (because of the excess timeout) at the division line (on either side of the court).

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Old School

Since we are being super technical here, this statement is incorrect. If you read in the book you will see that not all technicals fouls are inbounded at half court.

You do for any technical foul for which possession is part of the penalty.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If we're being super technical (nice pun), then you're correct. I'm just not sure you know why you're correct.

Double TF is POI, NFHS.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Hate to break it to you, all HS single Ts go to half court. This is not a double foul so that would not count. I know you are trying to be clever, but it did not work.

Peace

Not trying to be clever, just pointing out a fact and that was off the top.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

Men's - 2 shots for B, B retains the ball at the POI and can run the endline.

Women's - 2 shots for B, B has posession awarded (because of the excess timeout) at the division line (on either side of the court).

Nice, this was one of the points I was trying to bring out. Completely different set of circumstances between NCAA Men's and NFHS.

Nice point on the women's side too. I did not know that it went to the division line, but I know the TO also comes with lost of possession in women's considering the team was on offense.