Whats the world comming to?

[LarryS]

Old School...if you honestly think that just because a fight breaks out during a game the officials involved missed something of messed up you are A COMPLETE IDIOT!

Last Saturday I was calling a game and about 4 minutes into the game we have a OOB call and my partner brings in 2 subs into the game. We resumed play and the sub for the team with the ball drives to the hoop and is fouled hard by the player that just came into the game for the defense. The ball handler jumped up and they squared off. My partner and I got there fast and I tossed both players. We called it very tight for the rest of the half and things calmed down. Now, could there have been "bad blood" between those two from something earlier? Yep...but this tournament had games played in 4 different locations using 10 gyms. How in the heck are we to know if something happened an hour ago that ticked one off (that may very well have nothing to do with a game played)? How can you "read the signals" of a pending problem when it happens 5 seconds after the two players enter the game?

Even better question...why did I waste my time typing this?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by LarryS

1) Old School...if you honestly think that just because a fight breaks out during a game the officials involved missed something of messed up you are A COMPLETE IDIOT!

2) Now, could there have been "bad blood" between those two from something earlier? Yep...but this tournament had games played in 4 different locations using 10 gyms. How in the heck are we to know if something happened an hour ago that ticked one off (that may very well have nothing to do with a game played)? How can you "read the signals" of a pending problem when it happens 5 seconds after the two players enter the game?

Even better question...why did I waste my time typing this?

Because you brought up some good, relevant points, as listed above.....it wasn't a waste of time iow.

When you get into these AAU/rec league tournaments, you don't have a clue what happened a week ago or a state away. And usually, your assignor doesn't either, so he can't warn you or give you a heads-up either. All you can do is react to what happens when it happens. It's hard to be proactive if there's no real reason to do so. If a fight does break out with no previous warning signs, there is nowayinhell that an official is responsible or could have done anything about it.

[Philz]

Just to clear a few things up that was asked. Yes we did call the game. Yes I did eject the player but he knew it was comming before i could even signal it as his coach ushered him out of the gym and out of town in a second. The police neve asked us any questions as I believe they were more concerned it seemed with finding the kid and didnt hang around (or they needed to get to the donut shop). Also my partner and I were both at least 25 feet or more from the incedent and the punches he got off there was no way we could have stopped him from our distance. In fact I was the trail, ball just inbounded and I was following them (player with ball and defender) in the back court with some pressure. Partner was lead moving down court opposite the fight (in front court) and told me he saw nothing until it was over. I only saw one punch but the table said he pounded him 3 times. Maybe I'm a bad ref for not seeing the whole thing but my partner is a Div 2 Ref with many years under his belt and saw nothing.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by LarryS

Old School...if you honestly think that just because a fight breaks out during a game the officials involved missed something of messed up you are A COMPLETE IDIOT!

Where did I say that? Why don't you read what I say as opposed to trying to interpret what I didn't say. I said that if a kid gets beat to a bloody mess on your court where a ambulance has to be called and the kids face has to be re-attached. It sounds a little suspicious to me. This got nothing to do with prevention. This is after the fact. One kid, beating another and ref's didn't see it. I suppose it could happen, but to the extent it did is what's questionable to me.

Originally Posted by LarryS

Even better question...why did I waste my time typing this?

Especially if you can't get the story right.

[LarryS]

Originally Posted by Old School

Where did I say that? Why don't you read what I say as opposed to trying to interpret what I didn't say. I said that if a kid gets beat to a bloody mess on your court where a ambulance has to be called and the kids face has to be re-attached. It sounds a little suspicious to me. This got nothing to do with prevention. This is after the fact. One kid, beating another and ref's didn't see it. I suppose it could happen, but to the extent it did is what's questionable to me.

Especially if you can't get the story right.

GOTCHA!!! You did it on 3 different occassions.

From the original post:

“The weirdest thing was there was no indication of any problem before that point. No trash talking, no roughness and not any controversy.”

Since nobody was at this game other than the original poster, we have to take his word.

From your post on 5/17 (time stamped at 03:56 pm)

“The OP didn't think something was wrong in his game. Well he was wrong and both him and his partner missed the signs from the players that something wasn't right.”

From your post on 5/17 (time stamped at 05:02 pm)

“I'm just saying if some kid gets his head beat in to the point of unconsiousness, and has to be rushed to the hospital, you didn't do your job very well as an official, period.”

From your post on 5/17 (time stamped at 06:54 pm)

“It's one thing to have a punch thrown, it's an entirely different thing to have a fight go on an on, one kid down on the floor while another kid is punching him to death. To me, that seems like the officials where negilent in their duties.”

Hope my use of facts doesn't mess up your defense.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Old School

Where did I say that? Why don't you read what I say as opposed to trying to interpret what I didn't say. I said that if a kid gets beat to a bloody mess on your court where a ambulance has to be called and the kids face has to be re-attached. It sounds a little suspicious to me. This got nothing to do with prevention. This is after the fact. One kid, beating another and ref's didn't see it. I suppose it could happen, but to the extent it did is what's questionable to me.

Especially if you can't get the story right.

The OP said the kid got about three good shots in. Only superman or The Flash could have prevented that when it happens in the midst of game action. It's you who needs to read what other people say before jumping to conclusions.