Legal Guarding Position

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

That's funny. If the coach throws in the towel, then what do you have??

I might have a technical (KO).

[Jurassic Referee]

Aw geeze, I'm serious, guys, believe it or not.

Opinions-----can a defender maintain LGP and a closely-guarded count continue while the defender is laying face down on the court?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Aw geeze, I'm serious, guys, believe it or not.

Opinions-----can a defender maintain LGP and a closely-guarded count continue while the defender is laying face down on the court?

Under ncaa, no. Defender cannot maintain guarding position lying on the floor. This has been discussed here many times.

I'm sure someone will copy/paste half the fed rulebook to show why he thinks I'm wrong but I'm stopping my count in a fed game on this as well, unless there's another defender in the vacinity to take his place.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

I'm sure someone will copy/paste half the fed rulebook to show why he thinks I'm wrong but I'm stopping my count in a fed game on this as well, unless there's another defender in the vicinity to take his place.

I'll only copy this, and only as an aid to further discussion....

NFHS rule 4-23-3(a)--"After the initial legal guarding position is obtained, the guard may have one or both feet on the playing court or be airborne, provided he/she has inbound status."

Fwiw, I agree with you btw. Other esteemed members don't.

[truerookie]

[QUOTE=Jurassic Referee]I'll only copy this, and only as an aid to further discussion....

NFHS rule 4-23-3(a)--"After the initial legal guarding position is obtained, the guard may have one or both feet on the playing court or be airborne, provided he/she has inbound status."

Technically, both feet are still on the playing court. Just technically

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I'll only copy this, and only as an aid to further discussion....

NFHS rule 4-23-3(a)--"After the initial legal guarding position is obtained, the guard may have one or both feet on the playing court or be airborne, provided he/she has inbound status."

Fwiw, I agree with you btw. Other esteemed members don't.

JR has mentioned it several times -- are 1 or both feet on the ground?

where is the expectation of defense with a player on the ground?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

JR has mentioned it several times -- are 1 or both feet on the ground?

where is the expectation of defense with a player on the ground?

a player on the floor is quite likely to have one or both feet touching the floor. Frankly, I think a case can be made by rule to have a count continue.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

a player on the floor is quite likely to have one or both feet touching the floor. Frankly, I think a case can be made by rule to have a count continue.

very nimble player with very flexible ankles.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Under ncaa, no. Defender cannot maintain guarding position lying on the floor. This has been discussed here many times.

I'm sure someone will copy/paste half the fed rulebook to show why he thinks I'm wrong but I'm stopping my count in a fed game on this as well, unless there's another defender in the vacinity to take his place.

Agreed...nowhere in the discussion of maintaining LGP does it talk about a player lying on the floor.

[Scrapper1]

The dribbler's just gonna stand there for 5 seconds while his defender is on the floor? I don't think you're ever going to have to worry about this.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

The dribbler's just gonna stand there for 5 seconds while his defender is on the floor? I don't think you're ever going to have to worry about this.

He doesn't have to stand there for 5 seconds. You could be at 4 on your count when the defender falls, just about to strike 5. Or, B1 could fall down just before B2 steps in to guard A1.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

He doesn't have to stand there for 5 seconds. You could be at 4 on your count when the defender falls, just about to strike 5. Or, B1 could fall down just before B2 steps in to guard A1.

And your call is, Snaqs?

LGP or not?

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

He doesn't have to stand there for 5 seconds. You could be at 4 on your count when the defender falls, just about to strike 5. Or, B1 could fall down just before B2 steps in to guard A1.

I won't make the 5 second call unless there's another defender within the 6 feet requirement.

[Splute]

I would like to think if B1 is lying face down, that A1 could have his head and shoulders past B1 and thus end the count as well.