Violation or not?

[sticks_m]

This is the scenario. The defender deflects a pass and the ball is going outside, he runs after it and keeps the ball in play but he himself cannot stop and runs outside but he keeps running, comes back inside the court and picks up the ball and goes on to score or pass or whatever.

Violation? If it is, what kind of violation and why?

Thanks.

[tjones1]

Legal in NFHS.

But I think it's illegal in NCAA-M & NCAA-W.

[CoachP]

Does deflecting it constitute the start of a dribble?

[sticks_m]

No. And even if it did, lets say it was a long rebound, and he goes after it. Saves it, then comes back in to pick up the dribble or pass or shoot or whatever.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Legal in NFHS.

But I think it's illegal in NCAA-M & NCAA-W.

This play is also legal in NCAA Men's/Women's play.

NCAA R7-S1-A1 states: A player shall be out of bounds when he or she touches the floor or any object other tha a player on or outside a boundary line. An airborne player's status shall be wher he or she was last in contact with the floor. A.R. 143: A1 blocks a pas near the end line. The ball falls to the floor inbounds but A1, who is off balance, falls outside the end line. A1 returns, secures control of the ball, and dribbles. RULING: Legal. A1 has not left the playing court voluntarily and was not in control of the ball when leaving the playing court. This situation is similar to one in which A1 makes [shoud read: attempts] a try from under the basket and momentum carries
A1 off the playing court. The try is unsuccessful, and A1 comes onto the playing court and regains control of the ball.

As long as A1 has not gained control of the ball while saving the ball, the key to remember is whether A1 volunarily left the court or not. If the official judges A1 to have left the playing court because of his momentum then no violation has been committed.

MTD, Sr.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

As long as A1 has not gained control of the ball while saving the ball, the key to remember is whether A1 volunarily left the court or not. If the official judges A1 to have left the playing court because of his momentum then no violation has been committed.

MTD, Sr.

Bingo, that's what I was missing. I was reading into it too much. Thanks, Mark.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by sticks_m

This is the scenario. The defender deflects a pass and the ball is going outside, he runs after it and keeps the ball in play but he himself cannot stop and runs outside but he keeps running, comes back inside the court and picks up the ball and goes on to score or pass or whatever.

Violation? If it is, what kind of violation and why?

Thanks.

Legal play. The player must establish him/herself back inbounds before touching the ball.

[Nevadaref]

I posted the NFHS and NCAA rulings in this recent thread. See post #10.

Need 2 Rulings!

[jkjenning]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Does deflecting it constitute the start of a dribble?

As already mentioned, 'no', but for clarify this is from the thread referenced by Nevada:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

NFHS:
7.1.1 SITUATION B: A1 blocks a pass near the end line. The ball falls to the floor inbounds, but A1, who is off balance, steps off the court. A1 returns inbounds, secures control of the ball and dribbles. RULING: Legal. A1 did not leave the court voluntarily and did not have control of the ball when he/she did. This situation is similar to one in which A1 makes a try from under the basket and momentum carries A1 off the court. If the try is unsuccessful, A1 may come back onto the court and regain control since A1 did not leave the court voluntarily and did not have control of the ball when he/she did.
7.1.1 SITUATION C: A1 blocks a pass near the sideline and the ball goes into A1's front court. A1's momentum carries him/her out of bounds. He/she immediately returns inbounds, secures control of the ball, dribbles, shoots, and scores. RULING: Legal. (4-35-1a; 7-1-2; 9-3)
7.1.1 SITUATION D: A1 jumps from inbounds to retrieve an errant pass near a boundary line. A1 catches the ball while in the air and tosses it back to the court. A1 lands out of bounds and (a) is the first to touch the ball after returning inbounds; (b) returns inbounds and immediately dribbles the ball; or (c) picks up the ball after returning to the court and then begins a dribble. RULING: Legal in (a) and (b). Illegal in (c) as the controlled toss of the ball to the court by A1 constitutes the start of a dribble, dribbling a second time after picking up the ball is an illegal dribble violation. (4-15-5; 4-15-6d; 4-35; 9-5)

In the OP the ball was deflected, not caught and therefore not controlled. I thought you had a good question and wanted to answer it more clearly myself!