10 second violation

[hbomzer]

Team A pressed in backcourt for 4 seconds, ball then tipped out of bounds by defense in backcourt. After ensuing inbounds, partner calls 10 second violation after six seconds elapse (adding 6 to the previous 4).

Shouldn't it always reset to 10 seconds because team control is lost when ball goes out of bounds?

thanx,
HB

[JugglingReferee]

[hbomzer]

THANX

[amirrow]

Is there a rule in a rule book I could refer to regarding this question? A ref in my league just made the same (incorrect) call, picking up where he left off in his 10 second count after the ball was tipped out of bounds in the back court. He explained later that since there was no change in possession that the count should continue where it left off.

I'd like to be able to point to a rule showing him his error.

This error did not change the outcome of the game, but came close as the game was a one-point game with 42 seconds left when the call was made.

thx,
Art

[zebraman]

Originally posted by amirrow
Is there a rule in a rule book I could refer to regarding this question? A ref in my league just made the same (incorrect) call, picking up where he left off in his 10 second count after the ball was tipped out of bounds in the back court. He explained later that since there was no change in possession that the count should continue where it left off.

I'd like to be able to point to a rule showing him his error.

This error did not change the outcome of the game, but came close as the game was a one-point game with 42 seconds left when the call was made.

thx,
Art

See Casebook 9.8 Situation C (b)

Z

[amirrow]

Thank you very much, Z. If I could beg one additional piece of help....

I'm a new coach, so I'm not at all certain how to find the Casebook you refer to. Can you point me in the right direction.

Apologies in advance for the ignorance, and thanks again for the reply.

Art

[Jay R]

The rule is different in the NBA and FIBA. 8 seconds and it does not restart unless of a violation (kick etc...)

In my home province, we use FIBA rules but it is 10 seconds instead of 8.

[Mark Padgett]

The NF rule you want is 9-8. It states you can only have this violation if the team is in continuous control of a ball in their backcourt for 10 seconds. When the ball is tipped OOB, team control is lost and is not regained until a player on the court obtains player control. Therefore, the count restarts from 10.

Tell this ref that "possession" is not a operative term in this instance. "Player control" and "team control" are operative terms.

[tmp44]

Art,

You can order the case book off of the NFHS website. http://www.nfhs.com , then click on Basketball.