proper mechanics/signals

[tmp44]

I had a flagrant in a playoff game a few years ago where a girl threw a punch during a scrum for the ball. It was a dead-ball flagrant, so I went T, then gave the baseball heave-ho. The observor at the game told me that, because there is no "mechanic" for a flagrant, this was the best thing to do mechanics wise.

I asked him later what would happen if it would be live-ball situation. He said merely fist for the initial foul call, and then the baseball heave-ho is the next best thing to do. This way, everyone in the gym knows that 1) you have a foul, and 2) you're ejecting the player. He specifically said DO NOT give an intentional signal.

There was a video posted on here (I think) w/n the last couple months that showed a live ball flagrant in a small college game, where the official I think did what I described above...

EDIT: I found the video on YouTube. Watch the far-side official. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WubVH83-Auk

[SWMOzebra]

Funny how everyone wants something different, isn't it? I've been told by evaluators to not use the baseball heave-ho as it tends to "rile up" the crowd. Punch the fist up like normal and indicate the type of foul and player who is being called, let your P know what is going on, then tell the coach the reason for ejection and have the timer start the stopwatch for a replacement.

Not that I've ever had to do it in a sanctioned game, but these are the instructions given to me.

[Adam]

Just raise your fist for a foul; don’t do a prelim (if you're calling a flagrant, everyone knows what just happened). Once you have the players under control and your partner is able to keep them under control, walk all the way to the table to tell them what you have. Then tell the coach you've just called the flagrant, and "why" if you feel it's appropriate and necessary. There's no need for signals on the court.

Now, every flagrant I've called was for an actual fight, so a signal wasn't necessary. We just got the players separated, sent them to the bench, got together to collect our thoughts and make a ruling, and walked to the table to report it and called the coaches together to let them know.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by SWMOzebra

I've been told by evaluators to not use the baseball heave-ho as it tends to "rile up" the crowd.

Whoaaaaaaa.......sure wouldn't want to rile up a bunch of people that have have been calling me an azzhole(amongst other niceties) for the last hour.

[Texas Aggie]

Don't give the heave-ho. I don't care whether it riles anyone up or not, but it isn't appropriate. The only time you want to give signals that aren't "approved" is when its going to help you -- assuming you are going to give them at all; I usually don't but there are very limited exceptions. The heave-ho isn't going to help.

[JoeTheRef]

I've used the pointed finger in the air circular motion (ala SWAT commander telling his team to circle up) then a little touche' point to the left upper bleacher area, after my held fist in the air.

[REFVA]

If you're going to point, point to the bench instead of the door.

And why the bench? A Flagrant foul if is used in nature of violent or savage act is an automatic disqualification, and indirect technical to the bench..

[Adam]

Originally Posted by REFVA

And why the bench? A Flagrant foul if is used in nature of violent or savage act is an automatic disqualification, and indirect technical to the bench..

Point to the bench (if you insist on pointing) because that's where the player will be heading. You cannot have him removed from the gym for a flagrant foul. Pointing to the door sends the message that he has to leave the confines, and that sets you up for more trouble.
I don't know of any level where a fighting flagrant is also charged indirectly to anyone on the bench. The only time this happens is if someone comes off the bench to get this T, but that's it and it being flagrant has no effect on whether it's charged indirectly to the HC or not.

[REFVA]

I called 2 in 8 seasons, the signal I used was pointing to the door, don't let it hit you on the way out. Although I have seen many variations of pointing to the door LOL

[Adam]

If you're going to point, point to the bench instead of the door.