Walton / Nantz's point - 6 fouls

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Exactly what defensive call are you going to make?

Block! Everytime unless I got a clear offensive foul. That puts an end to it too. Remember, you only get 5 and you just pick up 2 for flopping. You be headed to the bench and I send message don't flop in my games. Flopping is okay, it's the yelling afterwards that pi$$es me off.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

Block! Everytime unless I got a clear offensive foul. That puts an end to it too. Remember, you only get 5 and you just pick up 2 for flopping. You be headed to the bench and I send message don't flop in my games. Flopping is okay, it's the yelling afterwards that pi$$es me off.

Do you know what a "flop" is?

[Adam]

Flopping is a T or a no-call. Every time I no-called it last year, if the coach said anything it was to his player.
I walked up to one player and warned him after a particularly obvious one. I said, "I know you think we've missed some calls, but don't let me catch you flopping again."
He nodded his head, said, "OK," and didn't flop the rest of the game.

[Mwanr1]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Flopping is a T or a no-call. Every time I no-called it last year, if the coach said anything it was to his player.
I walked up to one player and warned him after a particularly obvious one. I said, "I know you think we've missed some calls, but don't let me catch you flopping again."
He nodded his head, said, "OK," and didn't flop the rest of the game.

He's dumb for listening to you then. Every player is entitle a spot on the court and "FaLLING on the Ground" does not justify a foul or a T. And what if the offensive player did initial the contact?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

He's dumb for listening to you then. Every player is entitle a spot on the court and "FaLLING on the Ground" does not justify a foul or a T.

Do you ever read a rule book?

You don't have a clue what a "flop" is either.

[Mwanr1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Do you ever read a rule book?

You don't have a clue what a "flop" is either.

Please define "flop" in the NFHS rule book - Thanks!!!

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

Please define "flop" in the NFHS rule book - Thanks!!!

Mr Official for CA, when you see a defender flop (intentionally falling down to fake being fouled, regardless of what spot on the court you think he is entitled to) in the middle of the lane or wherever, what do "you" have?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

Please define "flop" in the NFHS rule book - Thanks!!!

I'm almost certain that a nfhs POE a few years ago was "flopping". Yet never defined if I recall correctly.

I'm sure some kind soul will go up to their attic to get their old nfhs books to verify.

The fed also had quite a few words to say about "strategic fouls" - both for and against - over the last 3 or 4 yrs but as far as I know they have yet to define "strategic foul".

If you really don't know what a flop is when you see it then you've taken up the wrong sport to officiate.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

Please define "flop" in the NFHS rule book - Thanks!!!

From a recent NFHS POE:

FLOPPING: The defensive player or screener acting as though he or she has been charged by an opponent, when in fact he or she has not been, definitely has an impact on the game. It is detrimental to the best interests of basketball. The "actor" wants to create the false impression that he or she has been fouled in the charging/guarding situation, or while he or she is screening, when in fact there is no contact or incidental contact. The "actor" falls to the court as though he or she were knocked down by the force of the contact. These actions are designed to have a foul charged to the opponent- a foul not deserved. The "flop" also incites spectators. The rules are in place to deal with such activity and must be enforced. A technical foul is charged to the actor in all cases. Coaches can have a positive impact by appropriately dealing with players who fake being fouled. It is not a part of the game. Officials must penalize the act.

The rule that is in place to deal with flops is NFHS rule 10-3-7(f)--"faking being fouled." It's been in the rule book for many, many years. The NCAA has a similar rule with similar wording.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

He's dumb for listening to you then. Every player is entitle a spot on the court and "FaLLING on the Ground" does not justify a foul or a T. And what if the offensive player did initial the contact?

Here's a hint. Read through rule 10 where it talks about technical fouls. Flopping is a technical foul for trying to influence an officials call. It's specifically mentioned.

And if the offensive player initials the contact, I'm calling a T on him for bringing a pen onto the court.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Here's a hint. Read through rule 10 where it talks about technical fouls. Flopping is a technical foul for trying to influence an officials call. It's specifically mentioned.

And if the offensive player initials the contact, I'm calling a T on him for bringing a pen Sharpie onto the court.

There. I fixed it for you.

[Mwanr1]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Here's a hint. Read through rule 10 where it talks about technical fouls. Flopping is a technical foul for trying to influence an officials call. It's specifically mentioned.

And if the offensive player initials the contact, I'm calling a T on him for bringing a pen onto the court.

That's BS too - just because a player is falling on the floor, it does not mean he/she is trying to influence a call (unless he/she screams 'FOUL' at your face). Unless the rule book define what a flop is, I don't think there's anyway a flop should be deemed a "T". What if the defensive player has poor footwork, felt on the floor but were able to distract an offensive player from scoring. How can you penalize a player for distracting a player?

IF A DEFENSIVE PLAYER IS PLAYING DEFENSIVE WITH HIS/HER HANDS UP, YOU CAN ARGUE THAT HE/SHE IS "PURPOSELY DIVERTING AN OPPIONENT'S ATTENTION BY WAVING THE HANDS NEAR THE OPPONENT'S EYES FOR EXPRESS PURPOSE OF OBSTRUCTING THE VISION SO THAT HE/SHE CANNOT SEE." If you want to play God, you can alway find an excuse to "T" someone up. But IMO some rules are just lame.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Do you know what a "flop" is?

I hear that OS's wife calls him that on a pretty regular basis.

[Mwanr1]

Originally Posted by Old School

Block! Everytime unless I got a clear offensive foul. That puts an end to it too. Remember, you only get 5 and you just pick up 2 for flopping. You be headed to the bench and I send message don't flop in my games. Flopping is okay, it's the yelling afterwards that pi$$es me off.

Who cares - and why does it piss you off? Every players are allowed to express their emotion. Why should we allow a player to yell or scream on a power dunk and not let a defensive player who "flop" scream?