NCAAA Final

[Indy_Ref]

When did calling across the lane from L or C become "en vogue"? Countless times this happened tonight...and in the whole men's tournament. It has left me baffled. If I make these calls @ camp, I'm getting my a$$ chewed...probably by the same guys who are making these calls in their tournament games!

When did the goal become: "Get 100% right not only in YOUR primary, but your partner's also."

...when it used to be: "Get 100% right in your primary, and only reach out when absolutely necessary!"

After watching the tournament, I'm pretty convinced the L is supposed to call the WHOLE lane. In fact, it's the main reason we had a blarge in the semi-final game the other night.

[deecee]

how about the celebration after the game -- defintley unsportmanlike -- i think each player should have recevied a T and the gators should have lost due to forfeit. i cannot believe the officials let that slide.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by deecee

how about the celebration after the game -- defintley unsportmanlike --

What was unsportsmanlike? I turned the TV off right after the Florida kid threw the ball straight up in the air with about 1.5 seconds left. What happened after that?

i think each player should have recevied a T and the gators should have lost due to forfeit.

That's a joke right? I get it. You're joking. Please tell us you're joking.

i cannot believe the officials let that slide.

Unless what you saw happened before the clock ran out, the officials likely had their backs turned and were halfway down the tunnel.

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

What was unsportsmanlike? I turned the TV off right after the Florida kid threw the ball straight up in the air with about 1.5 seconds left. What happened after that?


That's a joke right? I get it. You're joking. Please tell us you're joking.


Unless what you saw happened before the clock ran out, the officials likely had their backs turned and were halfway down the tunnel.

You didn't read his sig, did you? "in OS I trust"

Everyone who had OSU as their final pick in their bracket agrees that the game should have been forfeited to OSU.

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by Indy_Ref

When did calling across the lane from L or C become "en vogue"? Countless times this happened tonight...and in the whole men's tournament. It has left me baffled. If I make these calls @ camp, I'm getting my a$$ chewed...probably by the same guys who are making these calls in their tournament games!

When did the goal become: "Get 100% right not only in YOUR primary, but your partner's also."

...when it used to be: "Get 100% right in your primary, and only reach out when absolutely necessary!"

After watching the tournament, I'm pretty convinced the L is supposed to call the WHOLE lane. In fact, it's the main reason we had a blarge in the semi-final game the other night.

I don't agree with the Lead calling across the paint all the time. If you watch the NBA officials they hardly ever call across the paint because they are already over there.

I do agree with C making a call that he/she has the best look at. The play were the player with the ball curls towards C and away from Lead or Trail creates an alley that usually only the C can see. If C doesn't make this call then Lead or Trail are usually guessing on a reach.

Officiating is all about the angles that we can obtain in order to see and judge the plays correctly.

I was watching the Phoenix & Dallas game on Sunday and there was a rebounding play outside the paint on the block closest to the bench. The trail official that was opposite the table made the foul call because he was the only on that was not straight lined and guessing on the play. He was able to look right through the players and could determine if the push in the back warranted a foul. There are times like these, that if I was C, I would say "thanks partner" instead of "stay in your primary" like some would say.

My 2 cents

[Junker]

I agree that there were too many calls across the lane in the tournament. I try to hold my whistle across the lane unless a secondary defender comes from my area and jumps in front. I know somewhere here there have been posts with statistics from the pros on how reaching across the lane leads to a lot of missed calls. I thought they did a great job last night, although I thought Oden should have been stuck a couple of times for hanging on the rim, the Florida player should have been stuck for his little shimmy dance after a dunk, and Noah very well could have been stuck for his throwing 2 hands at an official after his 3rd foul in the 1st half. I just hate seeing this stuff happen on that big of a stage because you know it is going to trickle down to us. As another member of this forum said recently (making me choke on my adult beverage, "Noah is absolutely the best women's player in the nation, hands down."

[Old School]

It was a big game for these guys too, but all in all, the game was a success. I'm sure there was some gitters out there, not wanting to make a mistake, not wanting to miss an obvious foul, etc. The bottom line is the game was well played and well refereed. The players decided the game and you could barely tell the referee's where even out there. There was nothing obvious that was missed IMO although my partner didn't think they where calling enough fouls for Ohio State. I told him Florida just played like a championship team, they didn't miss very many open shots. What I like is now these guys have some big time expereince and will be more relax the next time, if they get selected again.

[BC22]

Corbett set the tempo for the final game and it is all but amazing that the Florida Gators were able to win this game. It is testimony to Donovan keeping his composure and his players able to step up and hit big shots when it counted down the stretch. I have TiVo and could review each call as it was made. The foul called on Horford at the beginning of the game was a "message" call. One of the worst calls in a big game I have ever seen. Corbett and crew clearly intended to protect Oden and make him a star. There was nothing any of the Florida players could do. If they touched Oden they were whistled for a foul. Even when Richards had his arm against Oden's back to keep Oden from leaning back and pushing him down under the basket Richards was whistled. Just absolutely atrocious officiating, particularly by Corbett. Just awful.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by BC22

Corbett set the tempo for the final game and it is all but amazing that the Florida Gators were able to win this game. It is testimony to Donovan keeping his composure and his players able to step up and hit big shots when it counted down the stretch. I have TiVo and could review each call as it was made. The foul called on Horford at the beginning of the game was a "message" call. One of the worst calls in a big game I have ever seen. Corbett and crew clearly intended to protect Oden and make him a star. There was nothing any of the Florida players could do. If they touched Oden they were whistled for a foul. Even when Richards had his arm against Oden's back to keep Oden from leaning back and pushing him down under the basket Richards was whistled. Just absolutely atrocious officiating, particularly by Corbett. Just awful.

And your analysis is based on what rules interpretation or POE?? Do you officiate many games? Shoot ANY games? Or are you just speaking on behalf of "joe fan"? The answer is obvious.

[Junker]

I gotta agree. Florida did a tremendous job of overcoming an official that was obviously out to make sure they lose. They let Oden get by with murder and didn't blow the whistle. Jeez, you'd think out of an entire nation of officials they could find 3 that are unbiased. (I just thought I'd try to post like a fan and see how it works. )

[BC22]

I had no dog in this fight. I actually reside in Cincinnati and pulled hard for Ohio State to defeat Florida in the football final. My point is clear and there can be no disputing it, Oden was the media darling and the refs, particularly Corbett, were set on making him a star. Oden has been hyped all season as though he were the next Alcindor or Walton. The guy is not even remotely close to either in skill set.

But, again, sticking to the facts, how could you interpret Horford's defense on Oden as a foul a minute and a half into the game? How can Richards be whistled for a foul for placing his arm, not elbow, up against Oden to keep him from backing him down? You know as well as I do that an official can make or break a player or game? Corbett was hellbent on doing that last night. Perhaps he has aspirations of moving up to the NBA. Who knows?

I've played a lot of basketball, both high school and college. You needn't attempt to denigrate my observations by classifying me as simply "joe fan." In fact that tells a great deal about your mindset regarding those who are watching this great game.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BC22

Corbett set the tempo for the final game and it is all but amazing that the Florida Gators were able to win this game. It is testimony to Donovan keeping his composure and his players able to step up and hit big shots when it counted down the stretch. I have TiVo and could review each call as it was made. The foul called on Horford at the beginning of the game was a "message" call. One of the worst calls in a big game I have ever seen. Corbett and crew clearly intended to protect Oden and make him a star. There was nothing any of the Florida players could do. If they touched Oden they were whistled for a foul. Even when Richards had his arm against Oden's back to keep Oden from leaning back and pushing him down under the basket Richards was whistled. Just absolutely atrocious officiating, particularly by Corbett. Just awful.

Go away, dickhead. NCAA fanboy season ended last night. Sorry, but we're now closed to idiots like you until the NBA playoffs start.

Shoo, shoo......

[BC22]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Go away, dickhead. NCAA fanboy season ended last night. Sorry, but we're now closed to idiots like you until the NBA playoffs start.

Shoo, shoo......

I haven't watched the NBA for years. It is no longer basketball. Do you know it was a foul if you even touched a player when Dr. Naismith invented this great game? It is a shame people of your calibre are even allowed to put on the striped uniform. Too many officials have become so intimidated by the star players and coaches that they cower over their disapproval. They are like puppy dogs seeking approval from those who may propel their careers to new heights, or at least allow them to officiate the big games.

The game is in a sad state right now. On a positive note, though, with a good new director and commissioner college and professional basketball could be returned to its greatness once again, BY SIMPLY ADHERING TO THE RULES. Imagine that!

[Old School]

Originally Posted by BC22

Corbett set the tempo for the final game and it is all but amazing that the Florida Gators were able to win this game. It is testimony to Donovan keeping his composure and his players able to step up and hit big shots when it counted down the stretch. I have Tito and could review each call as it was made. The foul called on Horford at the beginning of the game was a "message" call. One of the worst calls in a big game I have ever seen. Corbett and crew clearly intended to protect Oden and make him a star. There was nothing any of the Florida players could do. If they touched Ogden they were whistled for a foul. Even when Richards had his arm against Oden's back to keep Oden from leaning back and pushing him down under the basket Richards was whistled. Just absolutely atrocious officiating, particularly by Corbett. Just awful.

That's what champions do. They step up.

I'm sure the officials pregamed that they didn't want Oden to get in foul trouble early with nothing ticky-tack. If you're going to call one on him, make sure it's legitimate.

If you're talking about that foul call on the break where there was no contact. We talked about that in the bar last night, and the player has to take some ownership of getting that call blown against him. He doesn't make that swipe, official has no reason to put air in the whistle. The thing about it, is anybody can make a mistake. If I'm going to make a mistake, I'd rather do it early in the game then late in the game. The point is, you didn't continue to see calls like this thru-out the rest of the game which tells me this was a call to get the referee going. Now that I made that first call, I'm ready to officiate. I call it getting settled into the game. I thought they settled into this game very nicely because the 2nd half was very well called.

It's easy to sit back after the fact and say you would have did this or that. Let me tell you, when you're working big games like that. There is another element you can't see. It's call stage fright, being in the lime light, front and center stage. You got to get those pre-gitters out of you just like the players do. We all get it and if you say you don't you're lying. Once you start running and getting into your routine, things start to settle down for you and you begin to see and think clearly. That be the way it is...no exceptions, nobody escapes this.

[Indy_Ref]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

I don't agree with the Lead calling across the paint all the time. If you watch the NBA officials they hardly ever call across the paint because they are already over there.

I'm not talking about the NBA...I'm talking about the NCAA tournament. L has called across the lane MORE than I can EVER remember! The whole freaking lane seemed to be the L's responsibility at times...and the C was all too often not involved. What have we heard for years? "The key to a well-refereed game is having a strong C."

Originally Posted by All_Heart

I do agree with C making a call that he/she has the best look at. The play were the player with the ball curls towards C and away from Lead or Trail creates an alley that usually only the C can see. If C doesn't make this call then Lead or Trail are usually guessing on a reach.

I'm not talking about these plays. I couldn't agree more with this point.

Originally Posted by All_Heart

Officiating is all about the angles that we can obtain in order to see and judge the plays correctly.

Again, I couldn't agree MORE!

Originally Posted by All_Heart

I was watching the Phoenix & Dallas game on Sunday and there was a rebounding play outside the paint on the block closest to the bench. The trail official that was opposite the table made the foul call because he was the only on that was not straight lined and guessing on the play. He was able to look right through the players and could determine if the push in the back warranted a foul. There are times like these, that if I was C, I would say "thanks partner" instead of "stay in your primary" like some would say.

My 2 cents

Again, COULDN'T AGREE MORE...but these are NOT the kinds of plays I'm talking about.