NBA Stars getting foul calls?

[JRutledge]

I thought superstars got were supposed to get all the calls?

Did anyone see the last shot attempt made by Lebron James and no foul was called?

Peace

[johnSandlin]

Consider score, time, and situation and also where the game was played at. As much as I am huge Pistons fan, that was a foul on Hamilton.

[JRutledge]

Actually John I am going to have to disagree with you. For full disclosure I am a Piston fan as well. But this was not a foul if you look at the replay that was basically floor level. Hamilton put his hand on the ball and there was incidental contact with the arms. If you get the ball first, incidental contact should be after. This is especially the truth when the shooter was not knocked down. I would not call that foul in a middle school game.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Actually John I am going to have to disagree with you. For full disclosure I am a Piston fan as well. But this was not a foul if you look at the replay that was basically floor level. Hamilton put his hand on the ball and there was incidental contact with the arms. If you get the ball first, incidental contact should be after. This is especially the truth when the shooter was not knocked down. I would not call that foul in a middle school game.

Peace

So what about the beginning of the drive, when Hamilton stuck his left hand in LeBron's chest and used it to slow him down...nothing there either?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

So what about the beginning of the drive, when Hamilton stuck his left hand in LeBron's chest and used it to slow him down...nothing there either?

I saw Lebron use his right arm to get space and Hamilton held his ground. If anything, the play with Wallace where he Wallace hit the winning basket was a bigger foul than anything that took place on that final play.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I saw Lebron use his right arm to get space and Hamilton held his ground. If anything, the play with Wallace where he Wallace hit the winning basket was a bigger foul than anything that took place on that final play.

Peace

I assume you are referring to an offensive foul on Wallace, right? If so, I would agree..I didn't really think there was a foul at the end of LeBron's move, but they never really showed a replay of the beginning which - when I first saw it live - made me go "Hmmmm".

[Old School]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Actually John I am going to have to disagree with you. For full disclosure I am a Piston fan as well. But this was not a foul if you look at the replay that was basically floor level. Hamilton put his hand on the ball and there was incidental contact with the arms. If you get the ball first, incidental contact should be after. This is especially the truth when the shooter was not knocked down. I would not call that foul in a middle school game.

I agree. The first time I saw it and afterwards. Hamilton had his hands straight up in the air, which is what we like to see from a defender. Good, good no-call.

The potential flop and throw-off by Wallace later. At first glance, I'm with you RUT, it looked like the defender over-reacted to the push off, in an attempt to get the call, even though Wallace is a big boy, I can't see him pushing another big man, that far, that hard on a move to the bucket. Perhaps a more subtle flop would have gotten him the call.

With all that being said, the first game where Lebron didn't go to the line at all, not one time. That game was very poorly officiated and there was one time, Lebron got crushed and there was no call! Even on the replay it was a foul. Coach should have went ballistic then and picked up a T. By letting that slide, made it worse for his young superstar who is definitely not getting the respect from the officials in this series, imho.

[Adam]

So, you think the coach making an azz of himself would help his player get better calls in the game later? Is that how it works in the games you officiate?

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

So, you think the coach making an azz of himself would help his player get better calls in the game later? Is that how it works in the games you officiate?

It helped Bill Laimbeer win a championship last year. I saw it, felt he was right, he mention it to the media (ala Larry Brown) and he got his point across. Misson accomplished, end result, championship! You just got to know when to push those buttons, and also when to keep your mouth shut. Last night was good defense. Crying about good defense is bad for your team and serves only to piss the referee's off...

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I thought superstars got were supposed to get all the calls?

Did anyone see the last shot attempt made by Lebron James and no foul was called?

Peace

NBA is a whole different animal. I rarely watch it because I pick up bad habits. IMO he was fouled but since time was ticking away, they passed on it.

[JRutledge]

First of all your credibility with me is out the window (I am not judging this based on what others may or may not think). I do not care what you say about most things when you cannot recite a simple and obvious rule. You only talk about how human the officials are (we already know this) and that they make mistakes.

Secondly Lebron got calls because he earned them. He went to the basket and was more aggressive and he got calls as any good, knowledgeable player does no a regular basis. Lebron was very tentative in Games 1 and 2 and the calls that were not made in his favor are no different than other calls not made over the course of those games. Also what happen in Game 2 has nothing to do with Game 1, 3 and 4. The officials are not the same and the style of play can change. If you have not watched the Western Conference Finals, each game has been very different.

My point once again is what happen to Lebron and this season has broken a lot of myths in very obvious fashion. Because the media has spent a lot of their time talking about how the NBA set things up for certain teams and they do not go along with that philosophy, the media gets mad about it. In other words when the media cannot prove something, they run with it and start drawing conclusions. The unfortunate thing is you claim to be an official and you do not have enough sense to realize that officials do not care what the media thinks. The media is the same people talking about how dumb the balk rule is in baseball and the rule is in place to advocate offense and not have pitchers trying to fool batters and runners. Basically when people do not understand something by learning the rules and the complexity of the game, they start throwing out conspiracies instead of picking up something and reading which might take some time. Sound familiar?

I also did not create this to get into a full scale debate if this was a foul or not. The point was to illustrate that the officials passed on a foul that is widely thought of based on who is involved in the play. We can always disagree on what is a foul or not. I do not think it was a foul because the defender did nothing wrong and if this was my game at the HS or college level I would have likely passed as I do often during the season.

Peace

[Old School]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

First of all your credibility with me is out the window (I am not judging this based on what others may or may not think).

I keep trying to tell you my credibility is not on trial here.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not care what you say about most things when you cannot recite a simple and obvious rule.

What does this have to do with NBA stars not getting fouls? Me citing a rule or not has nothing to do with that. I am amazed at how hard you guys try to paint me into a corner on this forum. You don't want me to be a referee, do you? The fact of the matter is, I am and I'm not going to stop because you think I can't cite a rule. Most of us, don't like to be told what to do. Even more of us don't like to be told in an insulting manner. Case in point, I had a play happen in my primary and I wasn't quite sure what just happened. Coach sitting right next to me jumped up and demanded a foul call. I was putting things together in my mind of this play while the coach became more and more irate, I just had to stop and address him. Coach would you let me call the game. Now it's too late to call the foul and he's even madder. He continues to go on and guess what. Now we going to call a foul on you, TF!

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Secondly Lebron got calls because he earned them. He went to the basket and was more aggressive and he got calls as any good, knowledgeable player does no a regular basis. Lebron was very tentative in Games 1 and 2

I beg to differ but we will see tonight. Remember, a foul is a foul, no matter in Cleveland or Detriot. A player should not have to go to the hole more aggressive to get a foul. That might lead to a charge or out of control situation. But then, what do I know. I can't even recite a simple rule.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

My point once again is what happen to Lebron and this season has broken a lot of myths in very obvious fashion. Because the media has spent a lot of their time talking about how the NBA set things up for certain teams and they do not go along with that philosophy, the media gets mad about it. In other words when the media cannot prove something, they run with it and start drawing conclusions. The unfortunate thing is you claim to be an official and you do not have enough sense to realize that officials do not care what the media thinks.

First of all your point. If it's the media, that's there job. They're not trying to find the truth, they're trying to find a story that everyone will want to tune in for. That sells tickets my man, that's where the biggest part of the money this great franchise pockets, comes from, the media. But then what do I know. I can't even recite a simple rule, but you would think, with all your intelligence, you would know that.

As far as the officials not caring. It's in there contract not to care or talk to the media. Making the kind of money the NBA officials make. I wouldn't say a damn thing to the media or care what they said either. A wise man once said, it's not what you say that counts, its what you do.

Have a nice day...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Old School

I keep trying to tell you my credibility is not on trial here.

You do not have to try to tell me anything. Your credibility as well as other people's credibility is on the line when you post. Considering your knowledge of officiating when you have posted in the past, your opinion on this is rather laughable. You can try all you want to get me and others to not talk about it, but the fact you do not even know how to call a GT call properly makes me really wonder about your knowledge of the NBA and the things NBA Officials do.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

1) I keep trying to tell you my credibility is not on trial here.

2) You don't want me to be a referee, do you?

1) You don't have any credibility.

2) Actually we all would prefer that you were a real, live honest-to-goodness referee instead of a troll. If you were a referee, you might get a rule right every now and then, or maybe even actually understand a little of what we're talking about.

Have you checked McGriffs lately, JMO? Maybe they'll start up again and you can resume pissing off officials over there too.

[dblref]

Coach sitting right next to me jumped up and demanded a foul call. I was putting things together in my mind of this play while the coach became more and more irate, I just had to stop and address him. Coach would you let me call the game. Now it's too late to call the foul and he's even madder. He continues to go on and guess what. Now we going to call a foul on you, TF!

Coach had a right to be pissed at you. You see a play, can't decide what actually happened, decide to do nothing, and then want to "T" the coach. Great game management.