Head coach late arrival to game

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

10.5.1 SITUATION E: [blah, blah, blah] However, if the coach begins the game by sitting somewhere other than where the box is located, he/she may not use the box privileges any time during the game. The coach must begin the game in a position within the box if he/she wishes to stand when permitted under the optional coaching-box provisions. (10-5 Note 1)

Does anybody besides me think this is a ridiculous interpretation? Use of the coaching box for the entire game is determined by where the coach sits at tip-off? That just seems overly-officious to me.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Does anybody besides me think this is a ridiculous interpretation? Use of the coaching box for the entire game is determined by where the coach sits at tip-off? That just seems overly-officious to me.

You mean Nevada posted something ridiculous & overly-officious?

No, can't be.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Does anybody besides me think this is a ridiculous interpretation? Use of the coaching box for the entire game is determined by where the coach sits at tip-off? That just seems overly-officious to me.

Agree.

Do you know of any official that actually checks to see where the head coach is sitting at the start of the game?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Agree.

Do you know of any official that actually checks to see where the head coach is sitting at the start of the game?

Me...and anyone else who works for the same assignor I do...it is a point that was made very clearly that ALL aspects of the bench decorum rules were to be enforced - including that the head coach had to be seated in their box or they had no box...kinda stupid considering how big their box is, but "When in Rome..."

[mick]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Me...and anyone else who works for the same assignor I do...it is a point that was made very clearly that ALL aspects of the bench decorum rules were to be enforced - including that the head coach had to be seated in their box or they had no box...kinda stupid considering how big their box is, but "When in Rome..."

I (and others) may jog by and say

• "Do you know where you are?
• "...big box tonight."
• "Are you okay where the box is tonight?"

What aggravates me is when a T'd up coach is allowed to continue using the box.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by mick

I (and others) may jog by and say

• "Do you know where you are?
• "...big box tonight."
• "Are you okay where the box is tonight?"

What aggravates me is when a T'd up coach is allowed to continue using the box.

Agreed...I was referring to where the coach was seated or where their chair was at before we tossed the ball...once they get hit, they don't get to wander no more.

[mick]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Agreed...I was referring to where the coach was seated or where their chair was at before we tossed the ball...once they get hit, they don't get to wander no more.

Yeah, I know you were, rocky. I could live with that if it was a decree.
But since it isn't I just move 'em back with *those* words.

I did, once, have to mention the rule to a coach.

He was walking to the endline and coaching all the way down. At a time out I asked him what he was doing down there and he told me he was going to his seat. I suggested that surely he was mistaken and that wasn't his seat because of the coaching box/seat rule. He smiled like the cat with the yellow feathers in his mouth.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by mick

I (and others) may jog by and say
[*]

"...big box tonight."

M&M sez that you're going to Hell too.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Me...and anyone else who works for the same assignor I do...it is a point that was made very clearly that ALL aspects of the bench decorum rules were to be enforced - including that the head coach had to be seated in their box or they had no box...kinda stupid considering how big their box is, but "When in Rome..."

Do you have to look at where the coach is sitting though, Rocky? Are you telling me that your assignor is telling you to take the box away for the whole game if the coach is sitting more than 14 feet away from the 28' line at the start of the game?

If so, your assignor must be a Mariners' fan.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Does anybody besides me think this is a ridiculous interpretation? Use of the coaching box for the entire game is determined by where the coach sits at tip-off? That just seems overly-officious to me.

I don't like it.

I may or may not notice where the coach is sitting.

But the rule is in the book, and I know that someone wanted it there.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

I don't like it.

I may or may not notice where the coach is sitting.

But the rule is in the book, and I know that someone wanted it there.

It doesn't matter where he sits, it matters where he stands if he coaching his team standing.

Last varisty game, coach was attending to some players or whatever he had that needed to be done and he was not at the table for the pregame meeting. In fact, I didn't know the coach for this team so I assumed the AC was the HC. When the game started, you could clearly see who was the HC as he was standing all the time in the box. So I just switched it for him being the HC and it wasn't a big deal. They didn't go back and forward with who's going to stand and so forth. In an AAU game, I would ask if I wasn't sure and enforce the box from that point forward. AC can't stand.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Old School

It doesn't matter where he sits, it matters where he stands if he coaching his team standing.

Yes, it does matter. I agree with Scrapper and the others that I don't like the rule as written, but it is a rule, in the casebook 10.5.1 Sit E. In a game situation, I probably won't notice that the coach is sitting out of the box, and I'll end up booting the rule by mistake, but that doesn't change the rule as written.

[Adam]

What OS means is it doesn’t matter where the coach sits because OS doesn’t care about the rule(s). The rules aren't as important as game management, you know.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Yes, it does matter. I agree with Scrapper and the others that I don't like the rule as written, but it is a rule, in the casebook 10.5.1 Sit E. In a game situation, I probably won't notice that the coach is sitting out of the box, and I'll end up booting the rule by mistake, but that doesn't change the rule as written.

That's why we have the ability to add judgment to any rule, intelligently applying the rules. If you where to enforce this rule precisely as written, you would be wrong. It's only an issue if the coach is screaming about something. Don't look for trouble. Just tell him to get in the box. On the other hand, if the coach is screaming at you and he/she is out of the box after warning them. You have a GO! Green Light! Whack 'em!!!

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Old School

That's why we have the ability to add judgment to any rule, intelligently applying the rules. If you where to enforce this rule precisely as written, you would be wrong. It's only an issue if the coach is screaming about something. Don't look for trouble. Just tell him to get in the box. On the other hand, if the coach is screaming at you and he/she is out of the box after warning them. You have a GO! Green Light! Whack 'em!!!

Darn it, don't make it sound like you agree with me!

I didn't say I would ignore the rule, or that I would disregard it. I said, I probably wouldn't notice. I didn't mean the not noticing would be intentional.

We DO NOT have the ability to add judgment to any rule. That is not written anywhere in the rule book, or anywhere else. The judgment that we are given is only to see where a certain play or situation fits into the rules, not whether or not to apply the rules. I don't like the rule about not changing the jersey near the bench, but I can't just choose to pretend it's not there. If have to enforce it, regardless of my personal opinions.