Watta ya got video?

[fullor30]

Can I ask what area you are from? And I ask that with respect. I ref in the Chicago area.

Game ending basket, no need to call a foul. If you want a definitive answer, I would have called a block any other time in the game. I take it you would have called player control.

Have shown to few refs, D1 and D3 and they passed on a call, again just everyone's opinion. It's too close.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

By the way, great job on posting these videos RookieDude! We need more of these on the forum to learn from! It would be helpful to have a place specifically for videos!

Absolutely, kudos to Rookiedude for a great discussion and posting this.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Can I ask what area you are from? And I ask that with respect. I ref in the Chicago area.

Game ending basket, no need to call a foul. If you want a definitive answer, I would have called a block any other time in the game. I take it you would have called player control.

Have shown to few refs, D1 and D3 and they passed on a call, again just everyone's opinion. It's too close.

Those D1/D3 guys are gutless if they're passing on it because it's too close...game ending or not. This one is a foul one way or the other...not incidental.

And while I think it was clearly a charge when reviewed in slow motion, it wouldn't suprise me to have a lot of refs call it a block in live action.

[RushmoreRef]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Can I ask what area you are from? And I ask that with respect. I ref in the Chicago area.

Game ending basket, no need to call a foul. If you want a definitive answer, I would have called a block any other time in the game. I take it you would have called player control.

Have shown to few refs, D1 and D3 and they passed on a call, again just everyone's opinion. It's too close.

I'm from SDakota....don't get me wrong...I totally understand the thinking of the no call...there's just too much contact in my opinion...I work DII NAIA men's and I'd have it there too.....

If you're advocating the "no call" because of the end of game scenario why not just go with the "block" since it's that close...same outcome but at least you have something for B coach even though he might not agree with you and you have something???

As I said numerous times, I have no problem with a "block".

My other argument is this...If this play happens at minute 1 of the game I've got a charge.....so in our effort to "see the same game" and have "like" calls I'd have to go with charge then as well...

I'm just impressed with the fact that in that situation he had something and something that by rule is correct...IMHO

[fullor30]

Sitting in my cushy chair with my laptop watching Ncaa's it's easy for me to formulate a call with plenty of slo-mo and thought process. as I said, his call was fine and I could live with that. I probably would have called a block on further review as there was plenty of contact. It took a lot of guts to call a charge, I appluad him.

[RushmoreRef]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Sitting in my cushy chair with my laptop watching Ncaa's it's easy for me to formulate a call with plenty of slo-mo and thought process. as I said, his call was fine and I could live with that. I probably would have called a block on further review as there was plenty of contact. It took a lot of guts to call a charge, I appluad him.

Me too....I can totally see myself with a block on that sit. as well....

since it could have went either way, did that make it an easy call

[fullor30]

Given the circumstances, it would be easier to call a block or nuthin' and head for the locker room. I see what you mean though as it could have gone either way.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Given the circumstances, it would be easier to call a block or nuthin' and head for the locker room.

This is a horrible rationale for making a game-deciding no-call.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

This is a horrible rationale for making a game-deciding no-call.

Correct, that's why I said he made a gutsy call.

[RushmoreRef]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

This is a horrible rationale for making a game-deciding no-call.

I don't know if "horrible" is accurate....I'm just feeling that it is a "pro-call" situation...have something....If you feel "Block" then you are still off the court cause it's over....If CHARGE, then you did your job and in this case it dictates that the game is going OT.....I want the kids to decide the game, but we're there to administrate the rules. I think a "no call" would have been wrong and a disservice to the defense...they need to feel that you made a decision, regardless if it's for or against them....

Some feel that the collison was too low....we know there is no rule in federation and he wasn't under the basket, he was on or barely inside the block....those that feel he slid under or his upper body was still moving, I can live with that...call a "block" count the basket and get out....

I feel like I've went around in circles with this, but I guess the whole post has done so...

[truerookie]

I've seen the video full speed and slow motion for four days straight. I would have called a (CHARGE) in both full speed and slow motion.. The official clearly refereed the defense in the scenerio.

Someone else, mentioned where was the Trail in this situation? It is definitive that the LEAD had the call all the way. Because, the primary defender was beaten and the secondary defender established LGP so it was the Lead call to make.

MHO, those who stated it could have been a block or no call you really ASK yourself why am I doing this (officiating). It is clear it is not for the LOVE OF THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Correct, that's why I said he made a gutsy call.

Gotcha. And I agree.

[RushmoreRef]

Originally Posted by truerookie

I've seen the video full speed and slow motion for four days straight. I would have called a (CHARGE) in both full speed and slow motion.. The official clearly refereed the defense in the scenerio.

Someone else, mentioned where was the Trail in this situation? It is definitive that the LEAD had the call all the way. Because, the primary defender was beaten and the secondary defender established LGP so it was the Lead call to make.

MHO, those who stated it could have been a block or no call you really ASK yourself why am I doing this (officiating). It is clear it is not for the LOVE OF THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you saying that if a guy calls a BLOCK then he's a bad official...C'mon, it's bang-bang and we all know that a BLOCK could have been sold just as well as a CHARGE in that sit....For the record, I agree with the call and hope I would have had the same thing but I wouldn't have hung the guy out to dry if he would have called a BLOCKING foul when it happened....Meaning I can see an argument for a blocking foul when looking at it in game-speed....

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by RushmoreRef

Are you saying that if a guy calls a BLOCK then he's a bad official...C'mon, it's bang-bang and we all know that a BLOCK could have been sold just as well as a CHARGE in that sit....For the record, I agree with the call and hope I would have had the same thing but I wouldn't have hung the guy out to dry if he would have called a BLOCKING foul when it happened....Meaning I can see an argument for a blocking foul when looking at it in game-speed....

I don't think he's saying an official that calls a block here is a bad officials....it was pretty close.

What I think he's saying is that an official that calls a block becasue it's the easy call (despite knowing it was a charge) is a bad official.

There are those that say they want the kids to decide the game and base a no-call or block on that premise. In doing so, that official has actually decided the game by allowing a shot that should have been waived off due to the charge....giving the shooting team a win.

[RushmoreRef]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I don't think he's saying an official that calls a block here is a bad officials....it was pretty close.

What I think he's saying is that an official that calls a block becasue it's the easy call (despite knowing it was a charge) is a bad official.

There are those that say they want the kids to decide the game and base a no-call or block on that premise. In doing so, that official has actually decided the game by allowing a shot that should have been waived off due to the charge....giving the shooting team a win.

I'm in 100% agreement....plus I couldn't think that fast anyway...it's a total judgement in that case.

So let me say this.....It's bang-bang and you're not 100% sure BLOCK vs. CHARGE....I go with CHARGE...that's what we pregame and that's what I've got....That being said, I don't ever remember a time thinking, I'm not sure so I'm going with charge...I always have something that makes me sway one way or the other....not always right I'm sure but have never had to go through that thought process...Comments?