BU v SIU tournament game...

[JohnBark]

http://members.cox.net/goshoxgo/SIUBU.wmv

let me know what you think, please!?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by JohnBark

http://members.cox.net/goshoxgo/SIUBU.wmv

let me know what you think, please!?

I think the official handled it perfectly.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

I think the official handled it perfectly.

I agree the official handled it correctly. But that was not an accident. A very shrewd move by Tatum.

[JohnBark]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I agree the official handled it correctly. But that was not an accident. A very shrewd move by Tatum.

Can you explain to me why? I've had 2 BU fans call me today about this. And they both said that by stopping the play, it gave SIU a HUGE advantage to stop a potential break. I think they might be right about that. And the video shows Tatum in my opinion, accidentally bump the BU player. And the reason I say "accidentally" is because Tatum has his arms straight up in the air...but, i was just wondering. I'm sure the BU coach wanted sometimes.

That's way I told my BU friends, I would have issued "Delay of game" warning. But, I don't work NCAA ball, so, that's why I posted the question and video link.

[Adam]

What violation did he commit that would warrant a delay of game warning?

[JRutledge]

I have no problem with the way this was handled.

Peace

[JohnBark]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

What violation did he commit that would warrant a delay of game warning?

good question...what about breaking the throw in plane? and if that not correct, why didn't the official charge the BU player with a throw in violation for stepping inbounds prior to releasing the ball on the throw in?

i just think that since the official blew his whistle, that something other than a "do over" should have happened. and i'm not sure what, but i'm trying to figure this out for learning purposes. if no delay of game, then certainly we have a throw in violation on the BU player. had the BU player, not ended up on the floor and "inbounds" but had stayed OOB, then I think you have a no call and no whistle. but, the official blow his whistle for something. why did he blow the whistle, what's the call???? "DO OVER"???!!!! what the heck it that...

[Adam]

We can blow our whistle for a do-over on throwins. If the thrower fumbles the ball when we bounce it to him, we tweet and start over. There's your precedent.

If the player was OOB trying to get back in, you can't call Delay of Game because he was legally OOB. Otherwise, you'd have coaches demanding the DoG warnings and technicals every time a shooter was still OOB following his shot if the other team gets it at their disposal quick enough.

The only other call you could possibly make would be an intentional foul for fouling a thrower on the throwin.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JohnBark

good question...what about breaking the throw in plane? and if that not correct, why didn't the official charge the BU player with a throw in violation for stepping inbounds prior to releasing the ball on the throw in?

i just think that since the official blew his whistle, that something other than a "do over" should have happened. and i'm not sure what, but i'm trying to figure this out for learning purposes. if no delay of game, then certainly we have a throw in violation on the BU player. had the BU player, not ended up on the floor and "inbounds" but had stayed OOB, then I think you have a no call and no whistle. but, the official blow his whistle for something. why did he blow the whistle, what's the call???? "DO OVER"???!!!! what the heck it that...

I think this was the only common sense thing to do. The shooter is now out of bounds because he lost his balance and fell. He got up in a frenzy and ran back onto the floor, which he is allowed to do. I do not feel he did anything wrong according to the rule, he just ran into the thrower and the thrower ran into him. All he could really call is an intentional foul if you want to be very technical about the rule. But the player was not defending the thrower he was just running to a spot. If he attempted to block the pass I might think something should be called. That apparently did not happen, so I agree with the officials. Now the reason I think some of us say this is because this is not a common occurrence and there is nothing in the rules that supports your opinion directly. So the officials have leeway to decide what is fair and what is best.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

What violation did he commit that would warrant a delay of game warning?

No violation. Technical foul. The player went sideways along the end line to make contact with the thrower instead of just returning straight back in-bounds like he was supposed to.

NCAA rule 10-3-18--"purposely delaying returning to the playing court after being legally out-of-bounds".

NCAA rule 10-3-21--"delaying the game by preventing the ball from being promptly made live or preventing continuous play".

Your choice......

[JRutledge]

Wow, that is a stretch.

Peace

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

No violation. Technical foul. The player went sideways along the end line to make contact with the thrower instead of just returning straight back in-bounds like he was supposed to.

NCAA rule 10-3-18--"purposely delaying returning to the playing court after being legally out-of-bounds".

Ridiculous application of the rule to this case. Not even worth discussing (but you knew that)

NCAA rule 10-3-21--"delaying the game by preventing the ball from being promptly made live or preventing continuous play".

Your choice......

This is the one that I was hoping no one would bring up. IMO if you judge the act to be intentional (I don't) then you have a good argument. But the way I saw that play A1 did nothing to go out of his way to make contact with B1. It just happened. Not saying it didn't benefit his team. Just saying I don't believe it was premeditated and intentional.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JohnBark

And the video shows Tatum in my opinion, accidentally bump the BU player. And the reason I say "accidentally" is because Tatum has his arms straight up in the air...but, i was just wondering. I'm sure the BU coach wanted sometimes.

"Arms up" is meaningless, IMO. I see players with their arms up all the time while they walk into a shooter or ball handler.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I agree the official handled it correctly. But that was not an accident. A very shrewd move by Tatum.

I totally agree this was not an accident. Tatum goes out of his way to do this. He goes OOB on one side of the lane and comes back in completely on the other side?

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

I totally agree this was not an accident. Tatum goes out of his way to do this. He goes OOB on one side of the lane and comes back in completely on the other side?

This is not uncommon. I often see players make a layup, and then "circle around" and come back inbounds on the other side of the key.