Two HS questions

Splute · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 28, 2007, 12:54pm

How can you have a double foul on a single incident? It seems it would be one call or the other. Wouldnt the closest Ump or the Ref make the final call?

If a player is going for a try which initiates the Charge / block call, then there must be team control.

Adam · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 28, 2007, 12:59pm

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Originally Posted by Splute

How can you have a double foul on a single incident? It seems it would be one call or the other. Wouldnt the closest Ump or the Ref make the final call?

Some say, philosophically, that it's not possible. However, the NFHS rules state that when two officials both give opposite signals, they're supposed to go with a double foul.

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Originally Posted by Splute

If a player is going for a try which initiates the Charge / block call, then there must be team control.

If the shot is in the air before contact, there is no team control.

Splute · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 28, 2007, 01:04pm

[quote=Snaqwells]Some say, philosophically, that it's not possible. However, the NFHS rules state that when two officials both give opposite signals, they're supposed to go with a double foul.

Okay, I have missed that in my reading. Back to the books.

FrankHtown · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 28, 2007, 01:20pm

#2...can of worms...players are not allowed to remove their shirts, even for blood, in the bench area. (I think there is a case book reference to this). They need to go to a locker room, or out of sight of the court to change, I believe.

And as tjones and JRut said, I believe the intent is to let them play. The number is changed in the scorebook without penalty.

Junker · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 28, 2007, 01:48pm

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#2...can of worms...players are not allowed to remove their shirts, even for blood, in the bench area. (I think there is a case book reference to this). They need to go to a locker room, or out of sight of the court to change, I believe.

And as tjones and JRut said, I believe the intent is to let them play. The number is changed in the scorebook without penalty.

This is exactly what I was thinking. They need to leave the gym to change.

tjones1 · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 28, 2007, 03:36pm

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Originally Posted by Splute

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Some say, philosophically, that it's not possible. However, the NFHS rules state that when two officials both give opposite signals, they're supposed to go with a double foul.

Okay, I have missed that in my reading. Back to the books.

See 4.19.8 Situation C and you've got it.

Mountaineer · #7 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 28, 2007, 06:42pm

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Originally Posted by Splute

How can you have a double foul on a single incident? It seems it would be one call or the other. Wouldnt the closest Ump or the Ref make the final call?

IMO, this is always caused by poor communication. In a game that I'm involved - during pregame - I make sure to say to yeild to the primary on a double whistle. If I'm involved in a double whistle the first thing I do is look at my partner - if it's his I drop my hand and nod - if it's mine, I take my left hand and touch my chest to signal I have it. The problem is that some guys crack the whistle on a crash like this and want to realy SELL the call and don't pay any attention to their partner. A blarge is never fun - but at least it's specifically dealt with in the rule book now.

Nevadaref · #8 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 28, 2007, 06:51pm

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A blarge is never fun - but at least it's specifically dealt with in the rule book now.

Did you think that it wasn't before? It's not new. I have kept my books since 2001-02 and this same case play is in there. I'm sure that someone else can confirm that it goes back even earlier.

Mountaineer · #9 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 28, 2007, 07:54pm

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Did you think that it wasn't before? It's not new. I have kept my books since 2001-02 and this same case play is in there. I'm sure that someone else can confirm that it goes back even earlier.

You are right - I don't know what I'm thinking. They did change it though. I think when they added the team control foul thing. It used to be never count the bucket - now you do in certain situations. And the POI was something else that wasn't in the book.

I claim insanity . . . of course in my defense, now as opposed to 15 years ago - I'm still right!

(well, maybe!)

Nevadaref · #10 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 28, 2007, 08:16pm

You are correct that team control fouls and POI are recent additions to the NFHS rules coming in with the 2005-06 season. However, the player control cancels a goal and the a double foul allows it to count rules have been around for quite awhile. I don't know the exact years, but it is more than 10.

Mark Padgett · #11 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 28, 2007, 08:25pm

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Did you think that it wasn't before? It's not new. I have kept my books since 2001-02 and this same case play is in there. I'm sure that someone else can confirm that it goes back even earlier.

It's in my 1914 book - the one I bought personally from Dr. Naismith.

Back In The Saddle · #12 (**permalink**) Wed Feb 28, 2007, 11:30pm

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It's in my 1914 book - the one I bought personally from Dr. Naismith.

I thought they were still using the original 13 rules back then.

BTW, does MTD still have the original poster? I thought it was revealed a couple years ago that he had it.

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