Moronic coach comment of the day

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by MJT

The opposing coach gets to pick the sub from the other team to shoot the FT's.

Only in the NBA!

[81artmonk]

A TF cannot be given prior to a game can it?? If it can I am wondering how can a foul be handed out when nothing has started. Again this is just my opinion without any knowledge of the rule, but I can see if two players get into a fight prior to game time that they should be removed and/or ejected. simpley for fighting. But how can a foul be handed out prior to something not even in affect yet?? Just wondering?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by 81artmonk

A TF cannot be given prior to a game can it?? If it can I am wondering how can a foul be handed out when nothing has started. Again this is just my opinion without any knowledge of the rule, but I can see if two players get into a fight prior to game time that they should be removed and/or ejected. simpley for fighting. But how can a foul be handed out prior to something not even in affect yet?? Just wondering?

You really should get a rulebook if you're going to coach. And I'm not being smart-azzed when I say that either.

The officials' jurisdiction starts as soon as they step on the court- which is usually at least 15 minutes before game time. From that time on until all of the officials have left the court at the end of the game, you are governed by all the "technical foul" rules when it comes to behavior, etc. If you don't believe that, tell 3 of your players to dunk the ball in warm-ups.

[81artmonk]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The officials' jurisdiction starts as soon as they step on the court- which is usually at least 15 minutes before game time. From that time on until all of the officials have left the court at the end of the game, you are governed by all the "technical foul" rules when it comes to behavior, etc. If you don't believe that, tell 3 of your players to dunk the ball in warm-ups.

I believe you, but that brings up so many issues that could cause a riot. What if the game is over, players are congradulating the other team and someone says something to the ref. What you say is the ref can T up the player. So the game is over and about 2/12 minutes has gone by and Team A has won. Are you saying that the ref can send Team B to the line for freethrows and win the game even after the game has ended?? What if the refs hadn't left yet and were walking toward the door and a player verbally abused a ref?? What happens in those scenrios?? You can't send a player to the line for freethrows can you?? And if you can't do that, how can you justify the same thing before a game?? Just questions about what would happen?? Not questioning your knowledge. just wondering??

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by 81artmonk

I believe you, but that brings up so many issues that could cause a riot. What if the game is over, players are congradulating the other team and someone says something to the ref. What you say is the ref can T up the player. So the game is over and about 2/12 minutes has gone by and Team A has won. Are you saying that the ref can send Team B to the line for freethrows and win the game even after the game has ended?? What if the refs hadn't left yet and were walking toward the door and a player verbally abused a ref?? What happens in those scenrios?? You can't send a player to the line for freethrows can you?? And if you can't do that, how can you justify the same thing before a game?? Just questions about what would happen?? Not questioning your knowledge. just wondering??

Yes, actually, an official can call a T after the game, but before they've left the court. And if the FTs could have an impact on the outcome of the game, then they are administered as part of the 4th quarter.

I did, however, bold part of your statement above - if I'm officiating, I can't think of a scenario in which I'm still on the court 2 1/2 minutes after the game has ended unless there are things playing out that will impact the game...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

- if I'm officiating, I can't think of a scenario in which I'm still on the court 2 1/2 minutes after the game has ended unless there are things playing out that will impact the game...

I can. AAU games, YMCA games, Rec games, etc. If that much time has gone by, we've started jurisdiction for the next game. I'll let game management deal with the idiot from the previous game.

[NewNCref]

Originally Posted by 81artmonk

I believe you, but that brings up so many issues that could cause a riot. What if the game is over, players are congradulating the other team and someone says something to the ref. What you say is the ref can T up the player. So the game is over and about 2/12 minutes has gone by and Team A has won. Are you saying that the ref can send Team B to the line for freethrows and win the game even after the game has ended?? What if the refs hadn't left yet and were walking toward the door and a player verbally abused a ref?? What happens in those scenrios?? You can't send a player to the line for freethrows can you?? And if you can't do that, how can you justify the same thing before a game?? Just questions about what would happen?? Not questioning your knowledge. just wondering??

Everything you just said is perfectly legal. If a player is stupid enough to verbally abuse a referee after they've won the game, you better believe the T is coming. And yes, B could shoot, and in theory, win the game based off of that.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by 81artmonk

I believe you, but that brings up so many issues that could cause a riot. What if the game is over, players are congradulating the other team and someone says something to the ref. What you say is the ref can T up the player. So the game is over and about 2/12 minutes has gone by and Team A has won. Are you saying that the ref can send Team B to the line for freethrows and win the game even after the game has ended?? What if the refs hadn't left yet and were walking toward the door and a player verbally abused a ref?? What happens in those scenrios?? You can't send a player to the line for freethrows can you?? And if you can't do that, how can you justify the same thing before a game?? Just questions about what would happen?? Not questioning your knowledge. just wondering??

Two and a half minutes after the game; I'm in the locker room. If there's a shower, I'm almost in it. If not, I've got my shoes changed and I'm doing a post-game with my partner, maybe even laughting at the coaches and/or fans.
That said, if you're not off the floor yet and a coach comes and verbally assaults you, you can still call the T. The final horn is not a blank check for the coaches. There is a case play on this exact scenario, where a coach whose team just finished regulation up by two approaches the ref and levels some obscenities at him. The ruling is to call the T and shoot the free throws to determine whether overtime will be played.
yes, you can send the player to the line for free throws.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by 81artmonk

Not questioning your knowledge. just wondering??

The rule is the official's jurisdiction lasts from the time they enter the area before the game until they leave the confines of the court afterwards.

Those are the rules, period. If someone wants to take a shot at the official during that time then they open themselves up for trouble.

Again, like it or not there it is.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by 81artmonk

I believe you, but that brings up so many issues that could cause a riot. What if the game is over, players are congradulating the other team and someone says something to the ref. What you say is the ref can T up the player. So the game is over and about 2/12 minutes has gone by and Team A has won. Are you saying that the ref can send Team B to the line for freethrows and win the game even after the game has ended?? What if the refs hadn't left yet and were walking toward the door and a player verbally abused a ref?? What happens in those scenrios?? You can't send a player to the line for freethrows can you?? And if you can't do that, how can you justify the same thing before a game?? Just questions about what would happen?? Not questioning your knowledge. just wondering??

Here it is straight from the Case Book for you, coach.

5.6.2 SITUATION F: Following the final horn in a game which has Team A leading 62-60, the coach of Team A sprints after the game officials and shouts profanity at the referee who has just left the playing court outside the end line. RULING: The referee shall charge the coach with a flagrant technical foul and the results of the two free throws will determine whether an extra period will be necessary. The jurisdiction of the officials had not ended as the referee was still within the visual confines of the playing area. (2-2-4)

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by 81artmonk

A TF cannot be given prior to a game can it?? If it can I am wondering how can a foul be handed out when nothing has started. Again this is just my opinion without any knowledge of the rule, but I can see if two players get into a fight prior to game time that they should be removed and/or ejected. simpley for fighting. But how can a foul be handed out prior to something not even in affect yet?? Just wondering?

The jurisdiction of the officials begins when they enter the court.

For example, if they're still in their change room, and a players dunks, nothing can be done. But once they're in the court, dunking is a T. Same with morons coaches, etc...

[archangel]

Originally Posted by 81artmonk

A TF cannot be given prior to a game can it?? If it can I am wondering how can a foul be handed out when nothing has started. Again this is just my opinion without any knowledge of the rule, but I can see if two players get into a fight prior to game time that they should be removed and/or ejected. simpley for fighting. But how can a foul be handed out prior to something not even in affect yet?? Just wondering?

How about a player dunking during warmups??.....TF

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by archangel

How about a player dunking during warmups??.....TF

If the officials are on the court, it's a T.

BTW - the post way above didn't say 2 1/2 minutes after the game, it said 2/12 minutes. 2/12 of a minute is 10 seconds.

[81artmonk]

What does the rule define as court?? The acual playing boundries or beyond that? such as the stands or the bench or the scorers table??

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by 81artmonk

What does the rule define as court?? The acual playing boundries or beyond that? such as the stands or the bench or the scorers table??

Here's the rules....

NFHS 2-2-1,2,3&4--
-(1) The officials shall make decisions for infractions of the rules committed within or outside the boundary lines.
-(2) The officials' jurisdiction prior to the game begins when they arrive on the floor. The officials' arrival on the floor shall be at least 15 minutes before the scheduled starting time of the game.
- (3) The officials' jurisdiction extends through periods when the game may be momentarily stopped for any reason.
-(4) The jurisdiction of the officials is terminated and the final score has been approved when all officials leave the visual confines of the playing area.

Iow, if the officials can see you, your azz belongs to them!

Does that answer your questions?