Dunk or Illegal Dribble

[Adam]

Generally, if it hits the rim or backboard, it's considered a shot even if it didn't look purposeful. If you think he's trying for a shot, then it's a shot. Only one requirement must be met, not both.

[KCRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Generally, if it hits the rim or backboard, it's considered a shot even if it didn't look purposeful. If you think he's trying for a shot, then it's a shot. Only one requirement must be met, not both.

But on a freethrow it has to hit the rim to be considered a shot? Otherwise it is a violation? This rim restriction only applies to a freethrow then? (I am really asking. Not trying to be smart.)

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by KCRef

But on a freethrow it has to hit the rim to be considered a shot? Otherwise it is a violation? This rim restriction only applies to a freethrow then? (I am really asking. Not trying to be smart.)

It's a shot whether it hits the rim or not. If it does not hit the rim, the thrower has committed a free throw violation as the rules requires him to throw it so that it hits the rim.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Generally, if it hits the rim or backboard, it's considered a shot even if it didn't look purposeful. If you think he's trying for a shot, then it's a shot. Only one requirement must be met, not both.

ok so when you KNOW it wasnt a shot attempt and it hits the rim or backboard what do you have? or can a trapped player just launch the ball at the backboard or rim to get around the defense and get the ball unabated? just a question?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by deecee

ok so when you KNOW it wasnt a shot attempt and it hits the rim or backboard what do you have? or can a trapped player just launch the ball at the backboard or rim to get around the defense and get the ball unabated? just a question?

It is always a judgment call. And unless you are a mind reader, and personally I'm sureasheck not, you can never be 100% sure that anything thrown off the glass wasn't meant to be a try. It's impossible to KNOW that it's not a shot attempt.

Iow, any doubt, rule it a "try".

[deecee]

in this instance for the dunk putback you KNOW its not a try -- so in this case what do you have if he doesnt dunk but comes back down to earth with the ball?

just conjecture here JR -- I dont disagree that its legal if its a shot attempt -- i was basing what I said earlier on the fact that its NOT a shot attempt.

[lukealex]

I remember the pass off the glass then dunking by Traci McGrady a few years back in the all star game. Nothing was called. Yes it is the NBA and nobody cares anyways

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

in this instance for the dunk putback you KNOW its not a try -- so in this case what do you have if he doesnt dunk but comes back down to earth with the ball?

just conjecture here JR -- I dont disagree that its legal if its a shot attempt -- i was basing what I said earlier on the fact that its NOT a shot attempt.

To me, there are two criteria to determine whether it's a try or not for purposes of rebounding eligibility.
1. If I judge his intent is to put the ball through the basket, it's a try.
2. If the ball hits the player's backboard or rim, it's a try.
Both don't need to be met; only one.

[deecee]

ok so snaq -- by your #2 - what about an alley oop pass that goes awry and no one touches it but it hits the backboard and teh player that passed it recovers?

that covers #2. you are saying thats a try?

[cmathews]

Originally Posted by deecee

ok so snaq -- by your #2 - what about an alley oop pass that goes awry and no one touches it but it hits the backboard and teh player that passed it recovers?

that covers #2. you are saying thats a try?

Don't know about snaq but to me, yep it is a try....and if he can alley oop it and go get it, and the defense doesn't stop him, well then good for him and shame on them....the fed even does this to some extent, if the ball is thrown from outside the 3 pt line and it goes in, it is 3pts...they don't want us trying to determine if little Johnny or Mary is throwing a pass or is just that poor fundamentally that we can't tell...

[Smitty]

How many different ways can you beat the same horse to death? You clearly want someone to tell you that you should call an illegal dribble. Why is this so important to you? Do you have anything you can use from the rulebook that backs you up to call an illegal dribble for the scenarios you described?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

To me, there are two criteria to determine whether it's a try or not for purposes of rebounding eligibility.
1. If I judge his intent is to put the ball through the basket, it's a try.
2. If the ball hits the player's backboard or rim, it's a try.
Both don't need to be met; only one.

I disagree with #2. There is nothing in the rules that declare it a try just because it hits the rim or backboard. There are some rules that specify some of the same ramifications of a try (a player may dribble again), points are scored if it goes in, etc....but nothing says it is a try.