Stepping out of bounds

[howie719]

Is it just a violation or a T to step out of bounds to avoid a 3 sec call. I called a T for leaving the court. Did I blow this.

also

A1 shoots ball, B2 fouls A2 under basket for position. Ball goes in. I counted basket and gave A the ball out of bounds, not in bonus. Was this correct.

[Zack]

Originally Posted by howie719

Is it just a violation or a T to step out of bounds to avoid a 3 sec call. I called a T for leaving the court. Did I blow this.

Yes you did, this is a violation, not a T.

Originally Posted by howie719

A1 shoots ball, B2 fouls A2 under basket for position. Ball goes in. I counted basket and gave A the ball out of bounds, not in bonus. Was this correct.

That is correct, A's ball out of bounds.

[howie719]

Was there a time when leaving the court was a T?

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by howie719

Was there a time when leaving the court was a T?

Yes. It was changed to a violation prior to the 2005-06 season.

[Nevadaref]

Howie,
You unfortunately went by the old rule. The new ruling is as follows:

PLAYER OUT OF BOUNDS – LEAVING THE COURT
9.3.2 SITUATION A: A1 receives a pass while in the restricted area of the lane. A1 passes the ball to A2 outside the three-point line. In order to get the three-second count stopped, A1 steps directly out of bounds under A's basket. RULING: A1 is charged with a violation for leaving the court for an unauthorized reason. (9-7)

As Hawkeye mentioned the penalty was a technical foul back in the 2004-05 season and prior.

[justshutup]

On same try, B is whislted for throwing elbows, a violation while shot is in air. I believe play is whistled dead, no goal, and A's ball at pt. of interruption.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by justshutup

On same try, B is whislted for throwing elbows, a violation while shot is in air. I believe play is whistled dead, no goal, and A's ball at pt. of interruption.

Almost--POI is not the correct restart of play. The game is resumed with a throw-in at the OOB spot nearest to where the excessive elbow swinging violation occurred.

SWINGING ARM(S) OR ELBOW(S)
9.13.1 SITUATION: The ball has been released on a field-goal try or tap by A1 towards A's basket: (a) A2, or (b) B1, excessively swings arm(s) or elbow(s) without contacting an opponent. The ball goes through the basket. RULING: In (a), the official will sound the whistle immediately for a violation. The ball is dead, the goal is not scored. In (b), the ball is dead when the try ends. The goal is scored and Team A is awarded a throw-in at the spot closest to the violation. (6-7-9 Exception d)


POI is very specific rule and only applies in certain situations. It is defined as follows:
RULE 4
SECTION 36 POINT OF INTERRUPTION
ART. 1 . . . Method of resuming play due to an official's accidental whistle, an interrupted game, as in 5-4-3, a correctable error, as in 2-10-6, a double personal, double technical or simultaneous foul, as in 4-19-8 and 4-19-10.
ART. 2 …Play shall be resumed by one of the following:
a. A throw-in to the team that was in control at a spot nearest to where the ball was located when the stoppage occurred.
b. A free throw or a throw-in when the stoppage occurred during this activity or if a team is entitled to such.
c. An alternating-possession throw-in when the point of interruption is such that neither team is in control and no goal, infraction, nor end of quarter/extra period is involved.

[justshutup]

Stand corrected on spot. Thanks, but interesting how a foul and viloation are handled differently.
Who sits home and dreams up all this stuff. must have great life.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by justshutup

Stand corrected on spot. Thanks, but interesting how a foul and viloation are handled differently.
Who sits home and dreams up all this stuff. must have great life.

How are they handled differently with regard to the throw-in spot? Either way, it's at the spot closest to the infraction.

[Nevadaref]

I think he means that for the foul by A2 the basket still counts, but for a violation by A2 the ball is dead and the basket doesn't count.

[Nevadaref]

BTW the reason is that if you didn't take away the basket on the violation there would be no penalty since the opponent is getting the ball anyway. For the foul, the opponent still gets the ball, but the offender gets charged with one of his five fouls. So in that case there is still a tangible deterrent.

[howie719]

Second topic of my original post. Is 4.41.1 the best example to support this or is there a more specific one.

[Nevadaref]

This is a bit better because the foul is committed against a teammate of the shooter.

6.7 SITUATION D: A1 has started a try for a goal (is in the act of shooting), but the ball is not yet in flight when the official blows the whistle for B2 fouling A2. A1's try is successful. RULING: Score the goal by A1. If Team A is in the bonus, A2 will shoot free throws. If not, Team A will have a designated spot throw-in nearest to where the foul occurred. COMMENT: The foul by the defense need not be on the player in the act of shooting for continuous motion principles to apply. (6-7 Exception c)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by justshutup

On same try, B is whislted for throwing elbows, a violation while shot is in air. I believe play is whistled dead, no goal, and A's ball at pt. of interruption.

If A has shot before B violates, the basket counts. If B violates during a shot by a teammate, then you cancel the shot.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If A has shot before B violates, the basket counts. If B violates during a shot by a teammate, then you cancel the shot.

Yeah, it wasn't clear to me whether he was using B as a teammate or an opponent who was violating, so I just posted the case play that covered both situations for him.