swinging an elbow

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by iref4him

that is item 3). If he/she is moving like you say, then if there are any defenders around themm and contact occurs, you have to determine who intitated the contact. If the player with the ball, you have a player control foul. If the defenders did then, you have a common personal foul. You could have slight contact and no advantage/disadvantage taken, you have nothing.

correct, point being there is no foul for the act of swinging the elbow in this case, the foul is for the contact....would be the same thing if elbows were down and they ran the defender over making contact w/ the chest....