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Originally Posted by iref4him
1) excessive swinging of elbows with or woithour the ball (using the shoulder region as a pivot point) - violation
2) swinging elbow and making contact (without the ball in their possession) - common personal foul
3) swinging elbow and making contact (with the ball in their possession) - player control foul. The player with the ball could make normal legal body movemebnt with the elbows locked and make contact - player control foul.
4) then if a palyer deliberately throws at elbow and makes contact - intentional or flagrant personal foul (with the flagrant - disqualification)
5) if a player intentionally throws an elbow and misses - intentional or flagrant techinical foul (with the flagrant - disqualification). YOU may consider the act fighting.
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Regarding #1 - how is that a violation - maybe I do not understand the term "violation" vs a common personal foul - If the player has possession - would you just give the ball to the other team w/o a foul called or if does not have possession what do you do?