"Team Control" Mechanics

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And if I was in the stands evaluating you........

You'd see nothing on the sheet. If I ever tried to put down "called foul with wrong hand", I 'd burst out laughing before I could finish. As you said though, some do care. Ya gotta know your audience.

On the "stop clock" signal though, I have seen that one come into play. Playdowns and the evaluators gotta choose someone to go to the next round or a championship game....you have 2 officials that are about as close in actual game-calling ability as you can find..... the official using the "stop-clock" signal will get the nod because whoever is evaluating has to have some kinda reason for choosing one official over another. That might be the only one that they can find.

Depends where you are. I've seen a lot of college officials on TV working our state tourney the past few seasons and none of them even bother with the mechanic.

If I was evaluating (and I have in the past), I would only dock for mechanics that looked robotic or clunky or made it difficult for people to understand what the official was calling.

For example, I see a lot of JV officials around here stop the clock on an out of bounds violation and then simply say the color shirt while the hand stays up as if they don't know which way to point. Sitting in the stands, I have no idea which direction that official called until the ball's put in play. THAT would lose points.

A solid point accompanied by the shirt color with no stop clock mechanic would not cost on an evaluation.

[BillyMac]

I hate to admit this, but twice this year, during a throw-in situation, as the nonadministering official, I've seen illegal screens by the offensive team, and used the punch signal to indicate a team control foul. In the first case my partner told me that the ball hadn't been inbounded yet, so no team control, and no team control foul. The second time, after I punched, I observed that the inbounder still had the ball, and I gave the correct signals at the table. The only good thing about this is that it proves that I'm not looking outside my primary and "ball watching".

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by imaref

Dumb question.....but, anyone having difficulties with the new mechanics regarding "Team Control" foul action? Remembering to use the appropriate signal...administering the throw-in at POI.....how you communicate to partners and scorer's table....etc.....also, if opposing team is in bonus, we do not shoot bonus!

Nope. It is very easy to use the signal and definitely easy to know when it applies.

Originally Posted by imaref

It's been a tough adjustment. Is it just me....or are others experiencing this same transition problem?

Any hints or experiences that can be shared to help make this change easier to adjust to?

If you know the rule, not sure why it is hard to know when to apply the rule or the signal? For the most part you are calling this foul on screens and post play. I have yet to see or call on a loose ball that is a TC foul (interrupted dribble for example).

Peace

[Kelvin green]

Originally Posted by imaref

Dumb question.....but, anyone having difficulties with the new mechanics regarding "Team Control" foul action? Remembering to use the appropriate signal...administering the throw-in at POI.....how you communicate to partners and scorer's table....etc.....also, if opposing team is in bonus, we do not shoot bonus!

It's been a tough adjustment. Is it just me....or are others experiencing this same transition problem?

Any hints or experiences that can be shared to help make this change easier to adjust to?

what does "administering the throw-in at POI" have to do with Team Control fouls?

I would tell you to stop making this so hard. There are fouls on the offenseplayer control and team control ), fouls on the defense, and fouls when a team is neither ( I would call it a loose ball but that would confuse it with the NBA)...Since defensive fouls and when there is no team control are pretty much the same, you have two choices- If it aint offense then it is a "normal" foul (bonus applies etc)

(Many of the guys in my area yell "offense" when making either player control or team control and have some sort of punch/throw...If you signal team control or player control the score's table will get it,

You can also report----White 33, illegal screen, foul is team control; no shots, ball OOB. Does not take much longer and you are communicating. Your partner should be able to figure it out...

If there is a foul on the throw-in I usually talk with my partner so we get it right...

[imaref]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

what does "administering the throw-in at POI" have to do with Team Control fouls?

I would tell you to stop making this so hard. There are fouls on the offenseplayer control and team control ), fouls on the defense, and fouls when a team is neither ( I would call it a loose ball but that would confuse it with the NBA)...Since defensive fouls and when there is no team control are pretty much the same, you have two choices- If it aint offense then it is a "normal" foul (bonus applies etc)

(Many of the guys in my area yell "offense" when making either player control or team control and have some sort of punch/throw...If you signal team control or player control the score's table will get it,

You can also report----White 33, illegal screen, foul is team control; no shots, ball OOB. Does not take much longer and you are communicating. Your partner should be able to figure it out...

If there is a foul on the throw-in I usually talk with my partner so we get it right...

Great comments and observation. You are correct in your clarification of my flub on "administering the throw-in at POI". Thanks for clearing that up for me.

The mechanic as you describe is how I have been doing it. It forces me to "take my time" to get it right! All I am saying is that it's a process of finding the "comfort level" of working the mechanic.

Thanks....Kelvin for the help!