"Team Control" Mechanics

[imaref]

Dumb question.....but, anyone having difficulties with the new mechanics regarding "Team Control" foul action? Remembering to use the appropriate signal...administering the throw-in at POI.....how you communicate to partners and scorer's table....etc.....also, if opposing team is in bonus, we do not shoot bonus!

It's been a tough adjustment. Is it just me....or are others experiencing this same transition problem?

Any hints or experiences that can be shared to help make this change easier to adjust to?

[kbilla]

the biggest problem i am having is when i am trail/center coming up with the stop clock/foul signal with my "inside" arm so that i can do the "punch" in the opposite direction. we were told by our association that this is how they want it done so that the team control punch is in the direction where the ball will be going at the same time that the stop clock fist is up.....previously i have always stopped the clock with the same arm on every foul call, now i am having to conciously switch depending on which direction we are going which is EXTREMELY awkward....in terms of the mechanic itself, if i am going in the "right" direction=) it is stop clock, tc fist in direction ball will be going followed by preliminary signal (block, push, etc) then a point to the throw-in spot....i think the key is to do it consistently and slow so that partners/everyone else picks it up..

[Junker]

You know what you're supposed to be doing as far as mechinics, so my advice is to slow down. Just relax, keep your fist in the air while you gather your thoughts and then go about your business. When I was new, the problems I had with mechanics were just that I'd get excited and in a hurry. Remember, after you hit your whistle and stop play, nothing is going to happen until you take care of what you need to do.

[bob jenkins]

It's just you.

Seriously, the rule has been around for 1.5 years, so that shouldn't be a problem. The specific mechanic might be, but my guess is that no one is really watching.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by imaref

Dumb question.....but, anyone having difficulties with the new mechanics regarding "Team Control" foul action? Remembering to use the appropriate signal...administering the throw-in at POI.....how you communicate to partners and scorer's table...

I had one the other night on a post player who was locking down his defender. The mechanics the FED wants just don't come naturally to me. On my play I came out with: fist, then punch, followed by the non-existant and illegal lockdown signal. When I reported to the table I gave color, number, and punch, and pointed to the throw-in spot.

It wasn't by the book, but everyone in the gym (including my supervisor) knew what I was calling.

[kbilla]

so is everyone else but me ambidextrous or is anyone else having a problem coming up with the correct hand? i find myself often in the situation where i am having to stop the clock and give the tc signal with the same hand....not the end of the world, but not the "correct" mechanic either....easiest when you are lead, straight out in front of you!

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by kbilla

i find myself often in the situation where i am having to stop the clock and give the tc signal with the same hand....not the end of the world, but not the "correct" mechanic either.

It's not the mechanic? Does it say somewhere to use the hand that is not used to stop the clock? I don't have any problem with the way you describe, unless I'm missing something.

[Ignats75]

Ohio has us not use the punch. We use the hand behind the head player control foul signal for ALL team control fouls. No Punch.

My problem is that I have a tendancy to punch the direction in an effort to sell the call. During one game, one of my assignors complemented me on my mechanics. The very next game, I was dinged for the punch!! Well. Which is it?????

[imaref]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Ohio has us not use the punch. We use the hand behind the head player control foul signal for ALL team control fouls. No Punch.

My problem is that I have a tendancy to punch the direction in an effort to sell the call. During one game, one of my assignors complemented me on my mechanics. The very next game, I was dinged for the punch!! Well. Which is it?????

So you're not using the NFHS mechanic in your state?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by imaref

So you're not using the NFHS mechanic in your state?

I don't think I've used the stop clock mechanic before an out of bounds call in 10 years. Amazingly enough, the clock always stops anyway

I have bird-dogged twice this season. It made me feel quite nostalgic.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by kbilla

so is everyone else but me ambidextrous or is anyone else having a problem coming up with the correct hand? i find myself often in the situation where i am having to stop the clock and give the tc signal with the same hand....not the end of the world, but not the "correct" mechanic either....easiest when you are lead, straight out in front of you!

Some of us don't care which hand we use. I use my left hand on some fouls, the right on others.

Bigger fish to fry, if you ask me (which you didn't).

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Some of us don't care which hand we use. I use my left hand on some fouls, the right on others.

Bigger fish to fry, if you ask me (which you didn't).

if you use different hands then you are in better shape than me, that is my point, because i generally signal all fouls with my left fist up first...if i am T and basket is to my right, the mechanic would be to come up with my right fist and punch the other way w/my left....for C at the same basket it would be the opposit, come up w/ left fist (closest to basket) and punch the other way w/ right fist..agree w/ you that there are bigger fish, but some assignors will ding you for mechanics and it is just one of those things you have to do over and over to get get comfortable -- and how many TC calls do you make in a game, 1, 2? hard to get used to...

[Rich]

Originally Posted by kbilla

if you use different hands then you are in better shape than me, that is my point, because i generally signal all fouls with my left fist up first...if i am T and basket is to my right, the mechanic would be to come up with my right fist and punch the other way w/my left....for C at the same basket it would be the opposit, come up w/ left fist (closest to basket) and punch the other way w/ right fist..agree w/ you that there are bigger fish, but some assignors will ding you for mechanics and it is just one of those things you have to do over and over to get get comfortable -- and how many TC calls do you make in a game, 1, 2? hard to get used to...

There is no rhyme or reason to which hand I use, although in the team control situation when I'm the trail or center, I think I tend to use the outside hand cause I bring it up and then punch with it. As the lead, it really doesn't matter, does it?

I know some assignors are anal about this -- one college assignor at a camp I went to last year requires his officials to ALWAYS call fouls with the outside hand. Figured he must have a pretty good staff if that's one of his big concerns, which it seemed to be.

[kbilla]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

There is no rhyme or reason to which hand I use, although in the team control situation when I'm the trail or center, I think I tend to use the outside hand cause I bring it up and then punch with it. As the lead, it really doesn't matter, does it?

I know some assignors are anal about this -- one college assignor at a camp I went to last year requires his officials to ALWAYS call fouls with the outside hand. Figured he must have a pretty good staff if that's one of his big concerns, which it seemed to be.

you are right on the lead it wouldn't matter....gotta love the consistency among associations with a federation mechanic...the whole inside hand up, opposite punching the other way that i was told is contrary to what you were told...granted that was a college assignor, but still i guarantee there is not consistency in HS even as to how this is being taught...and as JR says sometimes as silly as it is an evaluation could come down to something like that....i am not a state finals caliber official at this point, but would like to be at some point and i would like to develop the correct habit...if i could only find out what the correct habit is

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Some of us don't care which hand we use. I use my left hand on some fouls, the right on others.

And if I was in the stands evaluating you........

You'd see nothing on the sheet. If I ever tried to put down "called foul with wrong hand", I 'd burst out laughing before I could finish. As you said though, some do care. Ya gotta know your audience.

On the "stop clock" signal though, I have seen that one come into play. Playdowns and the evaluators gotta choose someone to go to the next round or a championship game....you have 2 officials that are about as close in actual game-calling ability as you can find..... the official using the "stop-clock" signal will get the nod because whoever is evaluating has to have some kinda reason for choosing one official over another. That might be the only one that they can find.