Officials err in OT game

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

Let's get the facts straight.

From the article:

At the end of regulation, with the teams tied 65-65 and headed for overtime, the three referees met and determined that there were inconsistencies between the scoreboard and official scorebook.

The referees then gave Miller Career Academy another point, making the score 66-65, before beginning the four-minute overtime period.

Once the officials determined the score was 66-65 AND the overtime had not started, the game is over. That is what the state rules interpreter was saying -- and he is correct.

I concur. No overtime should have been played.

[Zoochy]

Another piece of information that was in a 2nd article. With lest than a minute remaining a TO is granted. At that point officials chat with the table to discuss the score (and possible TO's remaining). They are told tie game. Both coaches go with this information and plan on how their team should conduct themselves (ex:foul player and/or plan for last second shot). Now if the score is not tied, then each team would have different instructions.
All in all ... it was a big clusterf#$k.

[tomegun]

Isn't this bad reporting? Did the officials give one team another point or did they come to the conclusion that the book needed to be fixed and that is how the team got the point? It just sounds like the officials made this decision and the book didn't have anything to do with it.

[deecee]

tom -- you really think this reporter got it ALL right -- dont you think the officials had REASON to put the point back on.

[BayStateRef]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Isn't this bad reporting? Did the officials give one team another point or did they come to the conclusion that the book needed to be fixed and that is how the team got the point? It just sounds like the officials made this decision and the book didn't have anything to do with it.

I think the reporting is good enough to suggest strongly what happened.
From an earlier story:

There were several scoreboard errors Thursday that ended up awarding Miller Career Academy two extra points in regulation. With the game tied 65-65, Miller held the ball for the last shot and then missed a 3-pointer at the buzzer.

Before the four-minute overtime period began, the referees decided to award another point to host Miller Career Academy. So overtime started with Miller leading by one, 66-65.

The follow-up story says the officials had a problem reconciling the scorebook with the scoreboard because the scorebook did not have the running score.

From this, I gather the officials had the scorer count up all the points in the book. That made the score 66-65, and should have ended the game since the OT had not started.

We don't know why the visitors did not have a scorer, why the reporter had the score different (he had the visiting team ahead 64-62) or why there was no much confusion.

[iref4him]

Doesn't this err by the officials come down to the following:

1) pre-game talk with the scorer and timer. Their responsibilities. Letting the scorer know that the running score is very important.

2) I know in high school you are to verify the score at the end of each half, But, I still verify the score, fouls, etc with the scorer at the end of the quarter. I know you are only to do it at the end of the half, but it is great prevention.

3) Veteran officials have always taught me during time outs with a very close game, check the scorer to make sure everything is right - score, fouls, TOs. It helps prevents things like this occuring.

I know many officials who do not pre-game with the scorer or timer, it is very important. It lets them know that they are apart of official crew that night.

[deecee]

i guarantee your pre-game with the scorer wont change the fact that the scorer screwed up.

you dont think they know that they have to record all the fouls, points, running score, timeouts, etc. even at freshman level games the scorer knows what needs to be done.

All i do before the game is identify the home book and tell him/her if there is any issues with the book have get our attention and it needs to be resolved ASAP.

Do you mean to tell me you look at the book in between all quarters and count up all the fouls and score and then check the visiting book as well and compare. I highly doubt your answer will be yes to that?

All you can do is ask the book -- is everything right -- if both books are sitting together -- Do you 2 agree on the book? they say yes you move on. Its not our job to dissect the book every available minute -- we dont have the luxury nor the time.

what happens if you check the score and its right with 1 minute to go -- and this happens in the last minute. nothing can prevent what happened from happening except maybe having a visitors book as well. The officials messed up the rules application they were not responsible for the actual F'ck up in the book.

[iref4him]

[QUOTE=deecee]i guarantee your pre-game with the scorer wont change the fact that the scorer screwed up.

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Do you mean to tell me you look at the book in between all quarters and count up all the fouls and score and then check the visiting book as well and compare. I highly doubt your answer will be yes to that?
QUOTE]

Never say Never and NEver say always. Scorers are going to screw up, timers, and officials. Making them a part of your team is important. Do I check each point scored by each palyer and how many fouls each player has no. I make sure the totals are there. I make certian that the visitor and home books are the same in the running totals. ALso if there is just on book, I do spend time on making certain they know how important the scorer's job is.

Notice the OP said she did not keep running total of the score. She did not know her job responsibilities. I always ask them to make sure the running score and scoreboard are in sync.

I wander when you pre-grame with your partners is it just, let's call agood game and if you have any questions we'll talk. I don't think you do. Pre-game is vitally important.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by iref4him

1) pre-game talk with the scorer and timer. Their responsibilities. Letting the scorer know that the running score is very important.

The reality, at least in the games I've had scorekeeper trouble in, is that the table crews who are going to do a good job are there and available to pregame with. The ones who are going to give you trouble are nowhere to be found until just before the game starts. And even then they will refuse to admit that this is the first time they've ever kept score/run the clock.

[iref4him]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

The reality, at least in the games I've had scorekeeper trouble in, is that the table crews who are going to do a good job are there and available to pregame with. The ones who are going to give you trouble are nowhere to be found until just before the game starts. And even then they will refuse to admit that this is the first time they've ever kept score/run the clock.

When I am the R, I will wait for the scorer and timer. I will tell someone to go get them or When they return I pre-game with them. I do not put that aside. I want them to know how important their job is to making certain the game goes well. I have had scorers and timers tell me that they have been doing this for 20+ years. Guess what, I still tell pre-game with them.