Ever do a game that is no fun?

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by mjbofficial

Oh c'mon. I am extremely friendly and polite with game management....ALWAYS. It really isn't too much to ask for them to provide a bottle of water. That's not exactly undue influence.

So now the game rate is $x plus a bottle of water?

You're not doing them a favor by working a game, you're getting paid for it. Buy your own water, or drink from a fountain. If on the other hand, you're volunteering, than please accept my apology.

BTW, I serve as game management for a CYO program in NY, and I always provide bottled water for the officials because I want to provide a friendly atmosphere for the officials, and as you point out, it's a small enough thing to do. I want the officials to look forward to working at our school and not look at it as a chore. It's to atone for some of the nutty parents and coaches we've had in the past.

But you can't imagine how many visiting coaches use the same line, "Trying to buy the refs?", when they notice this. Is the dollar you save worth this?

[Adam]

Water is a courtesy item, nothing more. Most schools around here provide it as a matter of policy. It's probably a regional (market) thing.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

So now the game rate is $x plus a bottle of water?

[deecee]

i have never heard an opposing coach say "trying to buy the refs" with a bottle of water. come on jim how cheap are we to get bought for so little.

now slip a $5er and we are talking

[mcdanrd]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Additionally, I had to call an intentional foul in the first minute of the game. A player made contact with the inbounder.

Shouldn't this be a Player T per 4-19-5c and 10-8?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by mcdanrd

Shouldn't this be a Player T per 4-19-5c and 10-8?

Nope. Touching the ball while still in the hands of the inbounder is a T. Contacting (or fouling) the inbounder is an intentional personal foul.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

So now the game rate is $x plus a bottle of water?

You're not doing them a favor by working a game, you're getting paid for it. Buy your own water, or drink from a fountain. If on the other hand, you're volunteering, than please accept my apology.

BTW, I serve as game management for a CYO program in NY, and I always provide bottled water for the officials because I want to provide a friendly atmosphere for the officials, and as you point out, it's a small enough thing to do. I want the officials to look forward to working at our school and not look at it as a chore. It's to atone for some of the nutty parents and coaches we've had in the past.

But you can't imagine how many visiting coaches use the same line, "Trying to buy the refs?", when they notice this. Is the dollar you save worth this?

In AZ the home team is required to supply a private, locked dressing room, towels, shower and drinks at the high school level...REQUIRED.

Seems to me the fact that you do it as game management should tell you all you need to know...that is unless, you are attempting to bribe the officials that work for you.

[Junker]

If someone is trying to bribe me the bottle better be filled with something better than water. I don't think a bottle of water is too much to expect from the host school. I really don't work many places that don't have that available. Most places also give some food at the end of a varsity evening, but its nothing I expect or worry about if it doesn't happen.

[Ignats75]

There is a school around here who has a teacher that runs the scoreboard. She alwyas makes Brownies for the officials to take home after the game...win or lose....although she always gives this evil giggle if they lose.

[Back In The Saddle]

Considering we usually get put in a coach's office with no water, or in a teacher's lounge where the water coming out of the tap is brown, and any drinking fountain is tucked away somewhere out of sight, a bottle of water is a pretty reasonable thing for a school to do for the officials. But I don't expect it. Several schools I've been to provide water for the varsity guys, but not the others. Seems kinda cheap on their part, but whatever. As for bribery...get a life.

[mjbofficial]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

So now the game rate is $x plus a bottle of water?

You're not doing them a favor by working a game, you're getting paid for it. Buy your own water, or drink from a fountain. If on the other hand, you're volunteering, than please accept my apology.

BTW, I serve as game management for a CYO program in NY, and I always provide bottled water for the officials because I want to provide a friendly atmosphere for the officials, and as you point out, it's a small enough thing to do. I want the officials to look forward to working at our school and not look at it as a chore. It's to atone for some of the nutty parents and coaches we've had in the past.

But you can't imagine how many visiting coaches use the same line, "Trying to buy the refs?", when they notice this. Is the dollar you save worth this?

We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this. There wasn't a fountain anywhere near our changing room and I don't think it would be strange for me to head up to the concession stand in between games for a bottle of water.

If visiting coaches tell you that line, that's completely absurd.

I respect your opinion and it's nice to hear a perspective from the other side, I just don't happen to agree with it.

[deecee]

dont lie since when has different perspectives and opinions been *nice*

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

In AZ the home team is required to supply a private, locked dressing room, towels, shower and drinks at the high school level...REQUIRED.

Seems to me the fact that you do it as game management should tell you all you need to know...that is unless, you are attempting to bribe the officials that work for you.

Phoenix had the best facilities by far of any state I've ever been in. That is where I started so I'm talking about being treated really well as a JV official!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

If they give you water or Gatorade, fine, but realize that they're trying to curry favor with you, and they expect you to reciprocate in some way. Unless you are friendly with game management, I would advise supplying your own refreshments, even if they offer. There should never be any appearance of undue influence.

You have got to be kidding. EVERY SCHOOL I work provides water at halftime and many provide a towel for the post-game shower. The schools that DON'T provide these things are the ones I remember since there are so few that don't. But it would have no effect on how I call the game. One team has white jerseys and the other doesn't. I don't even think of them as home and away when the game is being played.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I'm table side, since we don't go tableside when we call fouls, and he says, "See that ref, that is just racist."

I've told a coach, "These stripes are black *and* white. Don't ever accuse me of cheating again."