Free Throw Violation

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

By rule, yes. The L should whistle the play dead before she can go after the ball.

Make sure when you use the phrase "by rule" that you are actually right. This is not a violation.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

Make sure when you use the phrase "by rule" that you are actually right. This is not a violation.

Tony is actually right. Notice that the case book play, of which he is well-aware, says "the official should sound the whistle to prevent any violations and then start the free throw procedure again."

In the play presented a violation has already occurred prior to the official taking any action. Therefore, by rule, the free thrower has committed violation. Now any decent official is going to bend the rule a bit and simply sound the whistle as quickly as possible and readminister the FT.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

Make sure when you use the phrase "by rule" that you are actually right. This is not a violation.

Make sure that you read the case book play cited--9.1.1-- before you make statements like the above.

That case play is a rule. It basically says that the FTshooter going to get the fumbled ball would be committing a violation(as per rule 9-1-7). The official should blow the whistle to prevent a violation, and then re-set the FT before the FT shooter actually commits that violation.

Iow, BktBallRef was completely right in his statement, by rule.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

Make sure when you use the phrase "by rule" that you are actually right. This is not a violation.

Make sure you know WTF you're talking about before you disagree with me.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Make sure you know WTF you're talking about before you disagree with me.

How is it a violation? If the free thrower hasn't started the throwing motion it is not a violation, if it was the play would say it was a violation. Where in Case Play 9.1.1 does it say that what happen is a violation???

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

How is it a violation? If the free thrower hasn't started the throwing motion it is not a violation, if it was the play would say it was a violation. Where in Case Play 9.1.1 does it say that what happen is a violation???

I apologize, I missed that she ran after the ball!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

How is it a violation? If the free thrower hasn't started the throwing motion it is not a violation, if it was the play would say it was a violation. Where in Case Play 9.1.1 does it say that what happen is a violation???

If the FT shooter moves to recover the fumbled ball, they will commit a FT violation as per NFHS rule 9-1-7. Case book play 9.1.1 says that you can avoid calling the violation IF you blow your whistle BEFORE the violation is committed. If the FT shooter commits the violation BEFORE you blow your whistle though, then it is too late to re-set the play, by rule.

As Z said above though, don't be a plumber. Just re-set the damn thing- especially with 10 year old kids.

[Mark Padgett]

If one of my local ref league refs called this against a 10 year old, I'd smack him (or her, Juulie) upside the head with a frying pan, then make him (or her) sit in a closet reading all of Old Tool's posts while listening to an endless loop of Billy Packer rules comments.

[bigdogrunnin]

UH . . . I would NEVER make that call in YOUR league . . . I can handle the whole frying pan thing, even reading Old Tool's comments, but Billy Packer . . . NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[stmaryrams]

We seem to have several players locally who are now passing the ball around their body a couple of times before a couple of bounces and then the attempt.

I would be more apt to call a violation on someone doing this who then drops the ball past the line and goes to retrieve it.