offense penalized

[cmathews]

Originally Posted by d1ref2b

As currently written Team A would lose the arrow because Team B touched the ball, albeit by kicking it.

I want the rule to be revised that the throw in ends when the ball is LEGALLY touched. Now it states that the throw in ends when the ball is touched. So if Team A is making an AP throw in and Team B kicks the initial throw, Team A now has a throw in for the violation and retains the arrow. A team can not lose the arrow unless that team violates. This is how the rule is administered in the NCAA.

so you are in essence saying that A will get the throw in because of the kicked ball now. When that throw in is completed, they also will keep the arrow?

[d1ref2b]

Originally Posted by cmathews

so you are in essence saying that A will get the throw in because of the kicked ball now. When that throw in is completed, they also will keep the arrow?

Yes. They are now making a throw in for the kicking violation. Since the AP throw in was not "legally" touched on the court it never ended. Team A retains the arrow for the next AP throw in

[cmathews]

Originally Posted by d1ref2b

Yes. They are now making a throw in for the kicking violation. Since the AP throw in was not "legally" touched on the court it never ended. Team A retains the arrow for the next AP throw in

I agree that they shouldn't lose the arrow as it pertains to that individual throw in. However when they succesfully complete the "2nd" throw in the arrow should be switched. By not switching the arrow you are in essence punishing be for playing defense. Yes, I agree kicking the ball is a violation, but it is still a defensive play that I don't think should be penalized doubly. Keep the arrow until you complete a throw in, but switch it at that point. IMHO

[d1ref2b]

I appreciate eveyones opinion and input. I have submitted this to both the FHSAA and NFHS. We will have to wait and see.

Happy New Years to everyone. Wishing all a lenghty post season

[Adam]

What is this, a hit and run?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by cmathews

I agree that they shouldn't lose the arrow as it pertains to that individual throw in. However when they succesfully complete the "2nd" throw in the arrow should be switched. By not switching the arrow you are in essence punishing be for playing defense. Yes, I agree kicking the ball is a violation, but it is still a defensive play that I don't think should be penalized doubly. Keep the arrow until you complete a throw in, but switch it at that point. IMHO

Hey!!! Isn't that what I said?

[cmathews]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Hey!!! Isn't that what I said?

yep it is, I was just getting clarification from D12b that he thought they should keep the ball (I agree) and the arrow (I disagree ) LOL

[deecee]

what a waste of time and virtual space -- how is this an issue -- way to overthink something that common sense would naturally clear up...

does anyone have a few extra Darwin awards to hand out here I will never get this time back -- maybe i should file something with some acronym type organization

[deecee]

rain you mean to tell me that this is something worth clearing up?

like several have said -- the alternative is they keep the ball and the arrow -- which doesn't seem fair or right and to make a big deal over putting in the term legally touched with exceptions here and there seems a bit overkill for something that most officials will get right and maybe actually think about it after the game. JMO -- this was an anthill that a mountain hath been bestowed upon

[worldbefree]

So you are saying that if the defense kicks the ball on the AP throw in, Team A now gets the throw by way of violation and the previous AP throw in is now ignored so the Arrow stays in the direction of team A? That seems like you are now punishing team B.