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d1ref2b Fri Jan 05, 2007 02:48pm

offense penalized
 
Came a cross an interesting sitution during a rules discussion with a fellow HS official. I was applying NCAA rules and he pointed out that NFHS is different in this case. The question is, When and how is the offensive team penalized when the defensive team commits a violation?:eek:

Raymond Fri Jan 05, 2007 02:58pm

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Originally Posted by d1ref2b
Came a cross an interesting sitution during a rules discussion with a fellow HS official. I was applying NCAA rules and he pointed out that NFHS is different in this case. The question is, When and how is the offensive team penalized when the defensive team commits a violation?:eek:

I hope we are not about to have a long discussion about throw-ins and OOB violations. :(

Jurassic Referee Fri Jan 05, 2007 03:00pm

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Originally Posted by d1ref2b
The question is, When and how is the offensive team penalized when the defensive team commits a violation?:eek:

The question is, what violation are you talking about?

d1ref2b Fri Jan 05, 2007 03:08pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
I hope we are not about to have a long discussion about throw-ins and OOB violations. :(

Badnews, you do not have to participate, but it does not involved an OOB violation. I can not think of any OOB violation that the defense can commit. They can reach throught the plane, but that doesn\'t penalize the offense.

What fun would it be if I told you the violation. Give it some more thought. You guys are way smarter than me, and I was able to come up with it.

Jurassic Referee Fri Jan 05, 2007 03:13pm

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Originally Posted by d1ref2b
I can not think of any OOB violation that the defense can commit.

I can. The defense can\'t go OOB for an unauthorized reason. Violation.

Adam Fri Jan 05, 2007 03:13pm

Leaving the court for an unauthorized reason? Spot throwin nearest the violation could be in the offensive backcourt.

d1ref2b Fri Jan 05, 2007 03:17pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Leaving the court for an unauthorized reason? Spot throwin nearest the violation could be in the offensive backcourt.

Wouldn\'t that be a T and play would resume at POI? Offense not penalized. They get 2 shots and the ball back.

WhistlesAndStripes Fri Jan 05, 2007 03:17pm

A boundary plane infraction, which results in a warning, is a violation. I don\'t have my books with me, but I believe it is called this specifically in the rulebook.

d1ref2b Fri Jan 05, 2007 03:20pm

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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes
A boundary plane infraction, which results in a warning, is a violation. I don\'t have my books with me, but I believe it is called this specifically in the rulebook.

I believe you are correct, but is the offense penalized by this defense violation. First is a warning and second is a T.

deecee Fri Jan 05, 2007 03:21pm

ths should get good I got my popcorn out and ready to roll...

Jurassic Referee Fri Jan 05, 2007 03:22pm

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Originally Posted by d1ref2b
Wouldn\'t that be a T and play would resume at POI? Offense not penalized. They get 2 shots and the ball back.

Not under NFHS rules.

deecee Fri Jan 05, 2007 03:23pm

WTF -- how is the offense penalized? they retain the ball -- usually when this is called its because the defender might have physically stepped over the line -- because if there is any contact its a T automatically.

Raymond Fri Jan 05, 2007 03:23pm

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Originally Posted by d1ref2b
I believe you are correct, but is the offense penalized by this defense violation. First is a warning and second is a T.

How is the offense penalized by the defense receiving a warning?

d1ref2b Fri Jan 05, 2007 03:29pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
How is the offense penalized by the defense receiving a warning?

The offense isn\'t penalized. However, this is not the play in question.:confused: Come on guys. You are all way to smart. I will give you a few more tries. I think it is relevant enough to warrant a rules change and have addressed it with Mary Struckhoff and our State Association.

d1ref2b Fri Jan 05, 2007 03:30pm

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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
See case book play 9.3.2SitD. That will tell you how the offense could be penalized.


Do not have my case book with me. COuld you provide a few detail? Remeber, the defense commits a violation and the OFFENSE is penalized for that.


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