Overtime Chaos

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Bingo.

Yes, the officials should always try to prevent it, if possible. Still.....sh!t will happen. That's rule #11. But, the bottom line is that having 6 players on the floor is NEVER, EVER the official's fault. It's always the coach's fault.

It seems that some people seem to forget that little point.

Actually, sometimes it's the fault of the player who went in the game when he wasn't told to by the coach. You can't ALWAYS hang it on the coach. That's also why this is only a Team Technical, and is not even charged as an indirect on the head coach.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

Actually, sometimes it's the fault of the player who went in the game when he wasn't told to by the coach. You can't ALWAYS hang it on the coach. That's also why this is only a Team Technical, and is not even charged as an indirect on the head coach.

Yup, gotta agree with that. I still don't think that anyone should ever try to hang it on the official. Sure, we try to get it , but if we don't, oh well.....

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yup, gotta agree with that. I still don't think that anyone should ever try to hang it on the official. Sure, we try to get it , but if we don't, oh well.....

Hold up big time! If you put the ball in play and there's 6 instead of 5. We miss that one. At a camp couple years ago. I felt so proud when I got that technical, 6 guys on the court, until the evaluator came over to me and said. Now, whose fault is it really? I don't think I won any points for calling that, in fact, I know I didn't.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Old School

Hold up big time! If you put the ball in play and there's 6 instead of 5. We miss that one. At a camp couple years ago. I felt so proud when I got that technical, 6 guys on the court, until the evaluator came over to me and said. Now, whose fault is it really? I don't think I won any points for calling that, in fact, I know I didn't.

Whose fault is it REALLY? It's the Player's/Coach's.
Yeah, we missed it too, but it's REALLY their fault for sending in too many players, or for entering the game without the coach's direction to do so, or entering the game and the player they were sent in to replace didn't leave the game.

[Adam]

It's basic, folks. Yeah, we should try to prevent it; but if we don't, we have to call the T. Why? Because it's the coach's responsibility. If it was our fault, they'd make it a correctable error.
Of course, there's never any reason to feel proud of calling this T. Just do it and move on quickly if you weren't able to prevent it. BTW, preventative officiating does not mean ignoring it when it happens.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

At a camp couple years ago. I felt so proud when I got that technical, 6 guys on the court, until the evaluator came over to me and said. Now, whose fault is it really?

That goober musta been the stoopidest evaluator in the history of the game then, to say something as dumb as that.

D1 camp?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

That goober musta been the stoopidest evaluator in the history of the game then, to say something as dumb as that.

D1 camp?

Nope, 5th grade girls.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

That goober musta been the stoopidest evaluator in the history of the game then, to say something as dumb as that. D1 camp?

I think the evaluator was trying to make a point, that we should not put the ball in play until we count, and that since it's 3 of us, you would think that one of us would have caught it. I learned my lesson and now when I'm the guy bringing in the subs, I always hold the inbound, until I have counted them all up, sometimes you got to wait until the dust clears b4 you can count. In just about every case that this has happen after this camp, I can point to an official who got lazy, and didn't do his count.

The other problem we have is some partners don't always look up and check in with you before putting the ball in play. They put the ball in play while my hand is up and I'm still counting. I think in the pregame, you should discuss this and put the responsibility on the person bringing in the subs to do the count and if we're on top of it, this should not happen in the game. Of course the lead can do a count too, b4 putting the ball in play.

What I find that is very pleasing about this is when I do catch it and the coaches don't. I blow my whistle to hold my partner, I walk over to the bench and tell them they got too many on the floor, and they know they would have gotten a technical if I didn't catch it. I win a few points with them and this never hurts as we are going down the stretch.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Old School

.. I win a few points with them and this never hurts as we are going down the stretch.

Yet another reason why you are full of it. Who cares about winning a few points with the coach?

[Old School]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Yet another reason why you are full of it. Who cares about winning a few points with the coach?

Tomegun, is sounds like you have been officiating too long. You have lost the love and respect for the game. If you no longer care about the coaches, no longer care about doing things that can improve your game and the relationship you have with the people you have to work with in the game. You should retire and go do something you like to do. Tis is the season. You should be thinking peace and goodwill to your fellow man. Scrooge!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Old School

The other problem we have is some partners don't always look up and check in with you before putting the ball in play. They put the ball in play while my hand is up and I'm still counting.

Gee, you would think that being fellow college officials of yours that they would know better than that.

[Old School]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Gee, you would think that being fellow college officials of yours that they would know better than that.

Actually, I think it's more about familiarity with one another. Still, when I work with a different crew, we don't always check one another before putting the ball in play. I'm trying to condition myself to always check with my partners before making the ball live.